Mass shooting at Orlando gay club

[South Florida]

No sir respectfully, you're missing the point.

[PalJoey]

 

YOU are. They were killed because they were GAY.

 

[CarlosAlberto]

His son will BURN IN HELL for what he did to my brothers and sisters in Orlando. 

[South Florida]

Yes, they were killed because they were gay, but what other than maybe time or education can change that? Shouldn't it have been harder to get that assault rifle?  That's something concrete that could we could do now.

[PalJoey]

Stop minimizing other people's lives. 

[Petralicious]

 

[Petralicious]

Petralicious said: "PalJoey said: " 

Spare me your indignation against Islam's homophobia until you first show me your indignation against homophobic laws being proposed and passed in North Carolina, Mississippi, Indiana, and Georgia.

And spare me your self-righteousness about Islam and gays until your you criticize Putin's Russia and its treatment of gays.

 

 " Surely you are not comparing bad homophobe laws being proposed preventing people from legally marrying to Sharia Laws that allow the government to kill people based on sex, religion or sex pref Mr Joey. Even Mrs CLinton who you have been campaigning for all year has said it is Radical Islamic Terrorism

http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/clinton-says-radical-islamism-fueled-orlando-massacre/

 

 

"

 

[South Florida]

PJ, I don't know what you mean by that last comment.  Petralicious you're batting .000.

[Liza's Headband]

PalJoey - shut your trap right now. A hate crime and an act of terrorism are not exclusive of each other. One can be the other, and vice versa. It was, in fact, a hate crime. It was also, in fact, an act of terror. It meets the textbook definition for both classifications. Move on and focus on the victims or the motive or the means or what we can do. Enough of this semantics bullsh*t. 

[South Florida]

 It helps that this guy was a Muslim for the fear mongers, they'll lose sight that this was an American, a twisted homophobe, and a 29 year old loser with anger issues. They immediately have a target rather than the access to weapons, this will be comfortably dismissed.

[Liza's Headband]

The guy claimed allegiance to ISIS, and had numerous ties to foreign fighters in Syria. He was also an ISIS sympathizer. That is religious extremism. Plain and simple. If you disagree, then I guess you disagree with the Director of the FBI and the President of the United States. Move on. 

[South Florida]

Again Liza, what are we going to do about that?  Start rounding up every American who looks at these web sites?  I wonder how many people would be in prison.  What does this incident and others have in common that we can do something about?  You said it yourself.

 

[Liza's Headband]

You're speaking to the means of the rampage. I am speaking to the motive of the rampage. It was a hate crime. It was also an act of terror. You cannot rewrite or change those facts, which is what you were attempting to do. I made no comment about rounding up Americans who look at websites, so I don't know what the hell you're going on about although I shouldn't be surprised. 

[Petralicious]

Mrs Clinton might have just taken the one issue /Democrat to PC to fight terrorism away/ from Crazy Trump. Thank you Mrs Clinton for having the courage to state what is really happening.  It was not a terrorist attack against just LGBT but against all United States and our way of life. 

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton changed her tune Monday and referred to the Orlando massacre as a result of “radical Islamism,” a sharp break from President Obama, who has declined to use that term

http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/clinton-says-radical-islamism-fueled-orlando-massacre/

[PalJoey]

Have at it, the three of you.



 

[Liza's Headband]

Very mature response, queen. 

[CarlosAlberto]

Stop fighting!  Agree to disagree but damn this is a time we should be bonding together not tearing each other apart!

[South Florida]

I don't understand why what the motive was matters at this point.  What changes can we make so that it has a harder chance of happening again in the near future.

[Petralicious]

really? you do not know why motive matters in helping solve and prevent crimes and attacks in the future? 

[South Florida]

You're right Javero.  I get unhinged during these times.  Sorry to everyone.  I'm done commenting in this thread.  

[Liza's Headband]

South Florida said: "You're right Javero.  I get unhinged during these times.  Sorry to everyone.  I'm done commenting in this thread.  

 

"

 

Yes, good. Probably for the best. 

[CarlosAlberto]

It looks like they are considering him a "homegrown extremist". He wasn't following directive from ISIS or any other Islamic terrorist organization. From what they have investigated so far they have found that he supports  a jumble of often-conflicting Islamic organizations.

He acted out of his own hatred and madness.

From what I've been reading and seeing one of the reasons he was able to purchase the weapons is that he had no prior criminal record, another was that during his background check his prior investigations by the FBI never showed up because they were closed. If their had been a link/access to that information (the investigations) it would have raised a red flag and the transaction would not have been allowed.

They have to streamline this system of "checks and balances" so that they "talk to each other" to prevent this from happening again, another is for Congress to get off it's ass and put a ban of the sale of automatic rifles. Why would an average citizen even need an automatic rifle to begin with?

 

[Liza's Headband]

He was on the No Fly List, as was at least one of the two San Bernardino shooters. To me it's a "no brainer" to have your access restricted from firearms once placed on the NFL but house Republicans don't feel the same way... 

[Scripps2]

An act of solidarity from the Admiral Duncan pub in the West End tonight; a pub bombed by a neo-nazi homophobe 17 years ago:

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-06-13/soho-vigil-to-pay-tribute-to-orlando-gay-nightclub-shooting-victims/

[finebydesign]

Seems a little premature to be deciding exactly why this guy did this.  He was apparently scouting Downtown Disney as well.  http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks

This was terrorism. The fact there is any question about that blows my mind. In any other nation it would be called as much.  There are many factors at play here, but those poor innocent kids stood no chance in the face of that automatic weapon. 

[Scripps2]