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[ErikJ972]

"At this point which one is really the lesser of two evils?"

Hint: The one who is not a white supremicist, facist, con man who is'n't qualified to hold office.

[adamgreer]

@z5 said: "At this point it looks like Trump will be the one with the landslide victory. Hopefully people are starting to finally realize the lying crook she truly is.

 

Which poll, exactly, is predicting that?

 

[PalJoey]

 

Nate Silver presents the case for and against panic.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-case-for-and-against-democratic-panic/

 

 

[CarlosAlberto]

PalJoey said: " 

Shaddup and go stump for Trump.

 

No I will not shaddup. I will exercise my right to voice my opinion just like the rest of you, even if you do not agree with it because this is a free country. 

Just because I don't think Hilary "Gotdamn" Clinton sh!ts violets and I am not willing to drink her urine like the rest of you doesn't mean I am rooting for Trump to win.

These are absolutely the two worst candidates we've had to choose from IMO.

 

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

These are absolutely the two worst candidates we've had to choose from IMO.

Carlos, if you feel that way, fine, I guess - but despite appearances, this is not a reality TV show. Forget about the candidates as people. Focus on the policies!  Here's a short Guardian article from last week which really puts it simply.

If we care about our future as a non-blown-up planet, it’s time to stop treating the Democratic candidate as if she’s barely better than a literal white supremacist

I can't wait to vote for Hillary Clinton!

[Liza's Headband]

It's also time for HRC supporters to stop telling others how they should think. Just be grateful that HRC is considered the "lesser of two evils," and take the votes. An article in the Guardian demanding those on the fence see HRC for more than what she is fails to be persuasive. It just unnecessarily adds to the 'noise' of it all and further polarizes undecided voters.

 

Furthermore, what Carlos says can be statistically proven; no other presidential election in American history has featured two major party candidates with lower approval ratings. They are absolutely abysmal and the data unequivocally supports this.  

[PalJoey]

 

I will keep saying it until she is elected. HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all. But don't take it from me, because in one of the strangest of Carlos's fantasies, he has me engaging in water sports with Mrs. Clinton.

Take it from Dean Obeidallah on CNN.com:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/opinions/clinton-lesser-two-evils-obeidallah/

 

 

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all.

 

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all.

 

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all.

 

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all.

 

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE "LESSER" OF TWO EVILS because she is not evil at all.

 

[CarlosAlberto]

Wow is that the BWW version of if I repeat it long enough it becomes "the truth" or the BWW version of convincing oneself? 

[PalJoey]

What is the BWW version of "You are dead to me?"

[HorseTears]

When did American voters become such emotionally needy babies?  

 

"I don't like him/her",

 

"I don't just don't feel she's he/she's for me"

 

"He/she once said something mean"

 

"He/she hasn't told 100% of the truth, 100% of the time, therefor there is no difference between him/her and, basically, Satan"

 

 

I just don't get it.  We're not electing your new BFF, nor your favorite aunt or uncle. Frankly, I wouldn't trust a politician who tells "the truth" (whatever that is) 100% of the time anyway.  

[madbrian]

This campaign has been rampant with false equivalencies and asymmetrical coverage in the media, and it's disappointing that they have made their way into this thread.  Clinton is as experienced as any candidate in generations, her positions on the issues and proposed programs are supported by the vast majority of folks on this board, and yet she is vilified by many.  Is she perfect?  Far from it, but neither was Obama, Kerry, Gore, Bill Clinton, or any other prior Dem nominee.  She has been subject to more intense scrutiny and unfair journalism as any politician in my lifetime.  Her opponent mocks women and the disabled, wears his ignorance on his sleeve as a badge of honor, and has proposed programs bordering on fascism.  No one has to be as blindly loyal or supportive as PJ, but it is patently preposterous to lump these two candidates together in any manner.

[SNAFU]

Liza, Fnck off and go away!

 

 

[Luscious]

Hear, hear, madbrian and PJ!!! The whole Evil Hillary story line is manufactured, misogynistic, and as stale as last week's bread. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid! I truly believe Bill and Obama when they say that she is the most qualified presidential candidate to ever run for the office. I'm not voting for her out of desperation or because she's the lesser of two evils. I'm voting for her because I think she'll make a great president!

I can't take credit for the following Facebook post, but I wholeheartedly agree.

[PalJoey]

A woman named Pam Houston posted it. Here it is if you want to copy and paste it::

 

"I'm officially done with the "she's so flawed but she is the lesser of two evils" rhetoric. Cause, you know, I'm flawed. And you are flawed. And Bernie Sanders is flawed and Barack Obama is flawed and even Michelle Obama is flawed. But the difference between all of them and me--and probably you, is that they have all given their flawed lives to public service. And now, they are all working together in their inevitably flawed ways, to save all of us, and the whole world from a sociopathic narcissist. And every day, Hillary puts a hopefully unflawed bullet proof vest on her flawed and aging and sometimes unsmiling self and stands up in front of people who have been incited by her opponent to shoot her, and she says calm and rational and intelligent (and sometimes flawed) things about how to make a difference. In my book that makes her a ****ing rock star. And in the words of another flawed and resilient rock star. There is a crack in everything. That's where the light gets in."

[CarlosAlberto]

Oh sweetie it goes much deeper than just "flaws" of course she is flawed. We are all flawed.

What an over simplification of things.

At this point The lady doth protest too much me thinks...it's just downright laughable.

I needed a good laugh today, thank you for providing it by means of that umm..."article"? 

 

[ErikJ972]

You know what's not laughable? Nate Silver and the good/smart folks at 538.com currently have Donald Trump at a 48.5% chance of taking the White House.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

That should terrify everyone.

[Jordan Catalano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI

This is John Oliver from last night breaking down the false equivalencies of Trump and Clinton's "scandals". Honestly, I think it might be the most important piece done on this so far and should be mandatory viewing for anyone who still considers themselves "on the fence" about who to vote for.  

[CarlosAlberto]

Oh brother....I may wind up not voting at all. 

[South Florida]

One thing I've always admired about Clinton is her mind and her debate chops.  This thing gets thrown back into the laugher category after tonight.

[CarlosAlberto]

PalJoey said: "What is the BWW version of "You are dead to me?"

Oh, that's easy, just add me to your block list and voila!...I'm gone!  

 

[ErikJ972]

CarlosAlberto said: "Oh brother....I may wind up not voting at all. "

Just like Mr. Roxy!

So if Trump gets elected, and starts rolling back LGBTQ rights etc, I guess you will not be complaining?

[CarlosAlberto]

Oh, he's not going to win...you have nothing to worry about. 

[Petralicious]

CarlosAlberto said: "Oh, he's not going to win...you have nothing to worry about. 

 

"Thats what my British friends said about BREXIT... "there is no way we are leaving the EW!!

 

[CarlosAlberto]

Petralicious said: "CarlosAlberto said: "Oh, he's not going to win...you have nothing to worry about. 

 

"Thats what my British friends said about BREXIT... "there is no way we are leaving the EW!!

 

It will be what it will be.  

 



 

[PalJoey]

 

And it will be all. Your. Fault.

 

[Liza's Headband]

PalJoey said: " 

And it will be all. Your. Fault."

 

Jesus Christ. Cut out the dramatics, you old queen.