Clinton vs. Trump: The Coming Landslide

[Liza's Headband]

And I need a massive BM today!!!!

[madbrian]

brdlwyr said: "...we need massive GOTV this year! "

I agree.  While I think it's important that HRC wins, it's just as important that Americans are shown to reject Trumpism.  

[Jane2]

^ charming, Liza's

[dented146]

I think it is fair to say that these are not popular candidates. Over half the Republicans can't stand Trump but many will vote for him anyway just like most Democrats who aren't crazy about HRC will vote for her. The high polling numbers by Johnson reflect that fact.

My opinion: Trump is an ignorant, arrogant P...K. but what is there to like about HRC other than the fact that you agree, for the most part, with her politics. If there is something to really like, I have missed it.

[SNAFU]

Liza's making new friends today!

 

[Jane2]

He clearly hasn't read Dale Carnegie though, SNAFU!

[dented146]

I was raised during an earlier time and I hearken back to a time recently described best by Louis CK when he said that we use to be friends who disagreed. Now we are enemies.

How far down have we come that these are our leaders. IMO, being enemies instead of people who respectfully disagree is what has lead to this result.

[South Florida]

Used to be like that for me Dented then Sandy Hook happened.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

what is there to like about HRC other than the fact that you agree, for the most part, with her politics.

Isn't that enough? That's what it's all about.

 

[madbrian]

In addition to Obama campaigning with HRC in Charlotte, Biden will be campaigning with her in Scranton. 

[wonderfulwizard11]

Liza's Headband said: "And I need a massive BM today!!!!"

Is it a personal quest of yours to be unpleasant every time you post here? 

[PalJoey]

I think it is fair to say that these are not popular candidates. 

 

I don't agree. I think Hillary is a lot more popular than conventional wisdom admits.

Besides, I am sick and tired of the silly idea that politicians must be "likable."

I want them to be skillful, strong, and smart.

The last time we had a likable president--remember? the one you were supposed to be able to have a beer with?--we went to war.

I'll take Mom.

 

[madbrian]

Real knucklehead move by Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch to have a private discussion on her airplane.  While I'm sure they didn't discuss any ongoing investigation, the last thing HRC needs is the appearance of impropriety.  They should both be smarter than that.

[theaterdrew]

It's so damn boneheaded.  At least Lynch has recused herself now.  

The real story getting all the breathless headlines should be that Trump yet again has lied about a financial matter.  He played the media, which was reporting how he was potentially double-dipping by hiring his own companies to do campaign work but, having loaned his campaign $45 million, he could get paid back for those payments from donations.  So, he then announces he's forgiving the loan.  Except, there is no evidence he did.  He hasn't filed the FEC docs showing it. It's just like the charitable donation claims he makes and then doesn't actually follow through.  It is a pattern of behavior, which is much more significant than a one-off like a chance encounter at an airport, yet there is no mention of it on any network news program that I can tell.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/30/donald_trump_hasn_t_actually_forgiven_loan_fec_says.html

[adamgreer]

The "meeting" doesn't appear to be getting that much coverage today. Most outlets (except, I imagine, Faux News) have moved on. 

[theaterdrew]

Oh, no -- it was the main headline on GMA this morning, complete with an interview with Trump and a GOP strategist talking about how it reinforces the horrible negatives for HRC's campaign.  

[PalJoey]

 

how it reinforces the horrible negatives for HRC's campaign. 

 

"Horrible negatives" is a silly, hackneyed phrase, that describes yet another non-scandal, non-crime, non-issue that will consume the media, the Beltway pundits for a day or so (over a holiday weekend) and, in the end, have zero effect on the voting public.

[brdlwyr]

There is nothing unethical in this ridiculous story! She is the attorney general - Clinton is the former President - exchanges pleasantries should not be an issue!

[Liza's Headband]

brdlwyr said: "There is nothing unethical in this ridiculous story! She is the attorney general - Clinton is the former President - exchanges pleasantries should not be an issue!

 

"

 

Unless, of course, that AG is investigating your wife. 

[madbrian]

I don't think Lynch did anything corrupt, but the appearance of impropriety is important.  Meeting privately with Bill Clinton on her plane while HRC is under investigation gives the appearance of impropriety.  Fortunately, she's running against an incompetent campaign which has no idea how to take advantage.

[theaterdrew]

Hmm, I thought this response posted already but I don't see it now - apologies if it posts twice.

PalJoey, I should have put the phrase in quotation marks, as it was what the GOP strategist was asserting.

I wish, at a rally just once, she would say she is not her husband and that there are times she wants to give him a good dopeslap.  It won't happen, but I can dream!

[PalJoey]

 

Not gonna happen. It wouldn't work the way you wish. She knows something like that would just feed the beltway news cycle, What's brilliant about her strategy is how she constantly outwits the Gotcha Game, whether from the media, from the RNC, or from Trump.

 

[ErikJ972]

PalJoey said: "I think it is fair to say that these are not popular candidates. 

 

I don't agree. I think Hillary is a lot more popular than conventional wisdom admits.

Besides, I am sick and tired of the silly idea that politicians must be "likable."

I want them to be skillful, strong, and smart.

The last time we had a likable president--remember? the one you were supposed to be able to have a beer with?--we went to war.

I'll take Mom."

I remember that war. "Mom" voted for it!

[Kad]

Grandpa voted for plenty of wars, too.

[PalJoey]

 

Politicians make good votes and bad votes, like everyone else. She said, "I got it wrong, but I wasn't alone in getting it wrong."

Let's stop using that vote as a disqualifier.

If it disqualifies her, it disqualifies Tom Daschle, Byron Dorgan, Diane Feinstein, Harry Reid, John Kerry, and Joe Biden.

Those politicians--and Hillary too--are our greatest progressive politicians. I refuse to condemn them because of that one vote.

And, if you do, then you may be a progressive, but you're the kind of progressive who loses to Bushes.

.

[madbrian]

Clinton raised over $68m last month, far and away her best month.