clinton vs. sanders your vote?

[madbrian]

I've been voting since 1980, but I've never registered with a party, so I had never voted in a primary before.  However, this morning I registered as a Democrat and voted for HRC.

[H.Higgins]

For those unable to understand or refusing to acknowledge how this works and how Hillary is rightly and fairly winning tonight, here's the reliable and objective Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

[madbrian]

There is a difference between unable to understand and ready to accept.  Bernie is being no more stubborn than Clinton was in 2008.  In fact, the PUMAs were far more anti-Obama than the Bernie Bros are anti-Clinton, at least based on polling numbers.

[H.Higgins]

Absolutely true. Any snark in my comment is because of the inaccurate and unfair narrative going around that she somehow "stole" this nomination. In fact, what Bernie continues to advocate is that the super delegates should overturn the will of the people and cast their votes for him, despite the fact that she has won the popular vote and will have amassed more than the majority of pledged delegates as of this evening. That would be "stealing" the nomination from her, despite it being rightly earned. That's unacceptable, especially coming from the "pure" candidate who claims to be the only one fighting for democracy.

It's hard to sit back and not be upset about that. That's why I posted the link to the Nate Silver piece. Regardless of candidate preference, it is an actual helpful explanation of what is happening and why.

[artscallion]

It's really no different than in 2008 when the PUMAs were saying, despite facts, figures and votes, that we needed to dismiss that and choose Hillary in the primary because Obama would never be able to win the general election because he was black.

Now Sanders' supporters are saying the same thing, that Hillary will never be able to win the general because she's (insert flaw here.) Obama won, Hillary will win. Just like in 2008, everyone will settle down, it will all sort out and Hillary will be the POTUS. This is the way the game goes.

[South Florida]

He concedes tonight when the polls close.

[ErikJ972]

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000523764&play=1

[HorseTears]

Seriously, Erik?  What a shock!  A wealthy woman constantly in the glare of the public spotlight owns some expensive threads.  That's what you're grasping at when we're about to cross the finish line in this primary?  

[HorseTears]

Paste, of all places, has a good argument for why yesterday's move by the AP was kind of shameful.  And, no, not because of some grand anti-Sanders conspiracy (there isn't one) and not because the system is "rigged" (it's not, though it may be quite...unfair), but because the motivation to move on this announcement was driven by a reporter hounding superdelegates until they gave him an answer.  It was about him and the AP getting the scoop and being first.  It was about their egos, not about public service or awareness.  

 

The AP Announcing Clinton's "Victory" Was an Embarrassment to Journalism and U.S. Politics (from Paste)

 

 

[StageManager2]

ErikJ972. she's earned it. She deserves it. More importantly, she also pays her fair share of taxes, she gives more to charities, and she's accomplished much more than any other candidate seeking the presidency. 

[PalJoey]

the motivation to move on this announcement was driven by a reporter hounding superdelegates until they gave him an answer. It was about him and the AP getting the scoop and being first.  It was about their egos, not about public service or awareness.  

 

Huh? That's not how this works.

It's been common practice for decades for ALL the news sources to maintain contacts with ALL the superdelegates--who are simply sitting and former politicians, like Bernie Sanders and Jimmy Carter--and to poll them throughout the primary season as to their choices.

The AP's statement was "While superdelegates will not formally cast their votes for Clinton until the party's July convention in Philadelphia, all those counted in her tally have unequivocally told the AP they will do so."

Where in the world did you get the idea anyone "hounded" anyone? That's just making shIt up.

 

[HorseTears]

PalJoey said: 

Where in the world did you get the idea anyone "hounded" anyone? That's just making shIt up."

 

 

PJ, perhaps you didn't have time to click through and read the article?  The answer to that question is included in its latter half in a tweet from the AP reporter himself (the argument is not about news outlets surveying superdelegates - of course that's happened for many years - but about the AP's rush to, apparently, bombard unannounced SDs in the last few days with calls until they gave them an answer all so that AP could say "we were here first!" )

 



 

 

 

[StageManager2]

The AP totally ruined this momentous occasion for her and gave the BernieBros even more reason to suspect that Hillary, the DNC, and the MSM were all in cahoots together. A$$holes!

[HorseTears]

Yep.  I don't think HRC was too pleased about it - especially because of the impact it could have on turnout today.  

[PalJoey]

 

Hyperbole! Do you REALLY think he called EVERY governor and mayor and legislator and former president SIX TIMES A DAY? Really?

I know most bloggers are stupid enough to take that tweet at face value, but I thought more of you, HorseTears.
 

[PalJoey]

 

And mark my words, the turnout in California and New Jersey and the other four states will be at HISTORIC levels. No way will this suppress any votes.

Bernie supporters will be out in droves to prove this untrue, and Hillary supporters will be out in droves to give her a landslide.

 

[South Florida]

Horse Tears has been a model of evenness in this thread and HT is right, this announcement was bull****. This was an abomination, for this to happen, the night before the last primaries, if I was a Bernie Bro this would solidify my desire to sit out this election.

[PalJoey]

 

It's not an "abomination." Save that word for situations that are genuinely abominable, like ISIS decapitations.

Here's NBC elections director John Lapinski addressing how NBC came to their own decision shortly after the AP made theirs:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/how-the-call-for-clinton-was-calculated-700235331557

 

 

 

[PalJoey]

 

Clinton takes New Jersey, 58-41. California next!

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/clinton-wins-new-jersey-democratic-primary-224034

 

[Auggie27]

I've never felt more participatory; NJ looks to be a substantial win.  Before CA: New Mexico.

[madbrian]

PalJoey said: "Clinton takes New Jersey, 58-41. California next!"

You're welcome. 

[Auggie27]

Context, perspective. Class.

 “It has been an honor to contest the primaries with him, just as it is an honor to call him my friend.” Hillary Clinton, speaking of Barack Obama, 7/4/08*   *Her mother's birthday, and 89th anniversary of Congressional vote to give women the vote.

[PalJoey]

Looks like Clinton wins in New Mexico and South Dakota (both currently 53-46).

[ChildofEarth]

Nervous about California. I need this wrapped up.

[Steve C.]

hi kids!

It's my first day of being semi-lucid and what a glorious day it is! History is being made tonight and we are here to celebrate it. I'm in a sub-acute rehab recovering from major reconstructive surgery to my leg, (old injury and rolling down those wrought iron stairs at the Richard Rodgers didn't help much either). But I truly know what hell is like now; a hospital with just Fox news and Headline News.

I will certainly remember where I was on this day. There are some very clever Hillary buttons at this web store, very clever.

http://www.cafepress.com/+madam-president+buttons

Need to watch her speech now. Wow!

 

[Jordan Catalano]

History was made tonight. 

 

Amazing.