clinton vs. sanders your vote?

[ErikJ972]

Rachel Maddow: Hillary Clinton Better Watch Out For Bernie Sanders

[PalJoey]

Patrick Healy in the NY Times reviews Bernie's late-night TV appearance and wonders if laughing off decades-old rape fantasy works in 2015.

 

NY TIMES: Bernie Sanders Finds Appreciative Audience on Late Night TV

[ErikJ972]

It's like Bernie Sanders Benghazi. But 42 years old.

 

"Hillary Clinton is seeing her highest unfavorability ratings in 14 years, according to the latest CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday.

Just 46 percent said they view the Democratic presidential front-runner favorably, compared to 50 percent who said they have an unfavorable view. In the preceding April survey, Clinton polled with 53 percent favorable, compared to 44 percent unfavorable."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-hillary-clinton-unfavorable-numbers-118532.html#ixzz3buzCX1Vf

[PalJoey]

The hits to her favorability notwithstanding, she's still the lead candidate among Democrats and independents by a not-likely-to-be-surmounted lead:

[PalJoey]

And now the "Run, Warren, Run" campaign has disbanded.

HUFF POST: Campaign To Draft Elizabeth Warren For President Comes To A Halt

[ErikJ972]

I really wish Joe Biden would run.

[PalJoey]

And she's still more popular than any of the Republicans:

 

[ErikJ972]

"And she's still more popular than any of the Republicans:

So is Bernie Sanders. And he's managed to do it without a SuperPac!

Bernie Sanders is polling better than EVERY Republican candidate

[FindingNamo]

You really can't stop yourself.

[Liza's Headband]

When someone is consciously defending a corrupt crony, who is pretty much anyone in the political world except maybe Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul (until he launched his political institute in 2013), I cannot and will not stop. I don't care if your mind is made up or not. I will continue to remind you that you are supporting a flawed, two-party system propagated by pundits and lobbyists who become massively wealthy through the current -- and corrupt -- political construct. 

[FindingNamo]

Imperfect allies vs actual enemies.

Maybe you can overthrow the system between presidential elections when the chooser of Supreme Court justices is not in the balance?

Meanwhile... Hil's Best Cultural Appropriation Yet!

 

[ErikJ972]

The thought of a corporatist neo liberal war hawk picking supreme court nominees isn't comforting. 

[Liza's Headband]

Any individual who allows corruption in our democratic taxpayer-funded government to continue through their support of partisan pundits, lobbyists, and politicians are the actual enemies. There are no allies; imperfect or not. 

[FindingNamo]

Right.  Cuz there's a LOT of hope for change with the Republicans.  Who will be elected if people listen to you and make a statement vote or sit it out.  It's interesting who benefits the most from your arguments.

[ErikJ972]

Right. Because those are the only two choices!

Oh...except they're not.

 

[FindingNamo]

I trust where you're coming from Erik.  Just not, you know who.

Did you ever respond to my thing about the elimination of federal funding for clean needles I posted much earlier in the thread? I may have missed it, or you may have missed it.

[ErikJ972]

I did see that post Namo. I didn't respond to it directly because I'm not trying to make the "both parties and all politicians are exactly the same" argument. I have a problem with a specific wing of the Democratic party and with Hillary Clinton as a candidate.

Like your friend, I consider myself pretty well versed on how public policy effects the poor. And I could write a book on how policies that Hillary Clinton, and the neo-liberal wing of the Democratic party, have supported have negatively impacted the poor and middle class.

I would consider my top issues to be income inequality, poverty, public education, the environment, and foreign policy. I think income inequality has reached unsustainable levels. We live in the wealthiest country in the history of the world and over half of our public school children are living in poverty. Hillary Clinton has helped cause this problem, she's not the one to solve it. Especially while she continues to gorge herself on the teat of Wall Street.

For me, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the neo-liberal Democrats, have been on the wrong side of every issue I care deeply about. It's not that she's an imperfect ally. She's an enemy.

*Edited to add: I also have no interest in personally attacking those who are supporting Hillary Clinton. I realize that many who ARE voting for Hillary share the same values that I do. So that's why I will never call people who are choosing to vote for Hillary fools. I'm more interested in spreading the word on why I think Bernie Sanders is the better candidate. 

[ErikJ972]

"Now that Sanders is running for president, the eight years he spent as Burlington’s chief executive (1981–89) will be under close scrutiny. Although President Obama recently joked at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that Sanders is a “pot-smoking socialist,” he was actually a hardworking, pragmatic, effective mayor who helped transform Vermont’s largest city (population: 38,000) into a thriving town.

Thanks to the enduring influence of the progressive climate that Sanders and his allies helped to create in Burlington, the city’s largest housing development is now resident-owned, its largest supermarket is a consumer-owned cooperative, one of its largest private employers is worker-owned, and most of its people-oriented waterfront is publicly owned. Its publicly owned utility, the Burlington Electric Department, recently announced that Burlington is the first American city of any decent size to run entirely on renewable electricity."

What Kind of Mayor was Bernie Sanders?

[Liza's Headband]

I really don't believe that approach is scaleable or sustainable on a national level, but I am glad to see it worked out for Burlington. I do not agree with many economic policies Sanders supports, though I do support most of his social stances and still love him for not feeding into the corrupt lobbyists or Wall St. cronies! 

[ErikJ972]

Maybe I just need to move to Burlington.

[FindingNamo]

Things DO work better in homogenous populations.

[ErikJ972]

Bernie Sanders pitches issues-focused debate changes on last nights Maddow.

[FindingNamo]

Funny piece from Matt Taibbi today.

But, you know, it's just his opinion.

In Classic Clintonian Fashion, Dems Insult Their Own Voters

[ErikJ972]

"In response, the Clinton campaign is launching a campaign to fire up the liberal base. They're going to accomplish this, they say, by having Hillary adopt "polarizing" positions she doesn't actually believe in."

Yup. 

I thoroughly enjoyed that article!

[FindingNamo]

That you enjoyed it is just your opinion.  Just need to point that out.

[ErikJ972]

That's just your opinion.