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#1Gotham
Posted: 9/22/14 at 2:24pm



Tonight, Tonight!

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#2Gotham
Posted: 9/22/14 at 3:05pm

Yes indeed

Will be there.


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#2Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 10:44am

That was a SOLID pilot episode. Not perfect, but more than enough to reassure that it's in good hands.

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#3Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 11:28am

Very good.

The only problem is doing it in current time. It does not make any sense as far as the start of Batman


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#4Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 11:37am

I enjoyed it. Although, Ben McKenzie is not a very good actor. You can see the wheels turning, using all the tricks his High School Drama teacher taught him...the faces he pulls, mugging doesn't begin to describe. Also, the gal playing his girlfriend is about as exciting as cardboard. I'm hoping both grow into their respective roles.

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#5Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 12:48pm

I was amazed and delighted by how entertaining that first episode was! Kudos to all involved. I AM biased though-- I have 2 friends in the Art Dept. But even without having a dog in the race, I thought the show was edgy and dangerous and a hoot without being dumbed down for the lowest common denominator. Oh and I thought the look of the show was superb, and a worthy successor to the comic legend after those overwrought feature films from Christopher Nolan.

My only question is why a show this violent is on at 8pm?

beautywickedlover
#6Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 1:35pm

I thoroughly enjoyed this program last night. It was very creative of the writers to show the back stories of classic DC characters. I think I have new show for Monday nights.

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#7Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 1:46pm

Although, Ben McKenzie is not a very good actor. You can see the wheels turning, using all the tricks his High School Drama teacher taught him...the faces he pulls, mugging doesn't begin to describe.

I actually thought he was fine. His performance isn't airtight yet, but he's in the same zone as everyone else. His girlfriend, on the other hand...

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#8Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 4:53pm

It moved too fast for me. I hope that future episodes are more subtle with the exposure.

At this point, the villains feel almost ready to take over their alter-egos while Bruce shows little signs of Batman.

I feel there was no need to cram them all into one episode.


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#9Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 6:55pm

"The only problem is doing it in current time. It does not make any sense as far as the start of Batman"

Mr. Roxy, I was prepared to not like it based on your post alone.

But, I was pleasantly surprised. The grittier retelling of the story in a contemporary setting just works. Like what I've seen so far but agree that the premiere seemed front-loaded with the back story of the villains.


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#10Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 6:58pm

Do not get me wrong. I did enjoy it but setting it in the present day to me made no sense. If it did for you, fine


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#11Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 7:12pm

I'd say they're playing fast and loose with the time periods. If you disregard the cell phones (which are 10-year-old flip phones by the way), most of the show could happen anytime since the 60's. The picture cars seem to be chiefly 70's -80's models. Fish Mooney's club looks like it takes place in 1930's Harlem and the grand police precinct set seems to owe a lot to 1910 Beaux-Artes New York. Something for everyone.

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#12Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 7:19pm

That's what threw me as well. Parts of the scenery seemed dated but the dialogue and casting are unequivocally of this millennium for a tv series.


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#13Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 8:09pm

The time period is not crucial to the Batman story. Different versions have set it in all kinds of decades and the future. It's not like there is a back story, like a specific war or time event, that can affect the way it is developed.

Also, we must take note that this Batman stands on its own. By how fast the Pilot was moving, I was thinking that Barbara was going to give birth to her daughter and turn into Batgirl in 2 seconds.

This version connects the younger version of the villains to each other like I have never seen before. Their back stories tend to be isolated from each other, which I was hoping the series would take advantage of in order to create excitement as to when we will see one character or the other appear. Now we have been introduced to most of the famous ones and I'm scared that the show will get dense if they become try to make them more interesting as youngsters than the adult psychos.


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#14Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 10:59pm

The pilot definitely took the show everything approach. I'm digging Fish a lot more than I expected.

All I kept hearing from DC people at conventions was that Penguin steals the show. I'm not sure that's a good thing. I don't care for the actor's frenetic interpretation of the character. I think the clearly going to turn into Riddler character is a bit too broad, too.

I liked it. I'm cautiously optimistic. It's better than Agents of SHIELD, that's for sure.

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#15Gotham
Posted: 9/23/14 at 11:39pm

From what I've read, the series will focus more on the villains individually, instead of this episode's "There's Catwoman! And the Penguin! And the Riddler! And Poison Ivy!" maniacal menagerie.

I did think this episode was really solid. I like Ben's approach to Jim Gordon. I'm not completely sold on Donal Logue's Harvey Bullock; he seems almost incomplete or too little of what is needed. I was skeptical of how they would do creating a character with Fish Mooney, but I liked her as a different piece in the puzzle.

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#16Gotham
Posted: 9/24/14 at 1:52pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were going for a "retro-modern" setting, nothing definitive, and the art direction really worked for me. Danny Cannon (no great director, anyway,) direction was solid but some things like those running shots bugged me. The writing was often good and sometimes ham-fisted (and with obvious exposition,) but it's a pilot... Oh and I am glad that Renee Montoya is still a lesian but throwing in the whole "She's after Gordon not just because she hates corruption but because HE STOLE HER WOMAN and she's horny," thing seems so cliche and the dialogue between her and Barbara was horrible and horribly played. But... it's a pilot.

The mix of acting styles kinda threw me, although Jada P-S is amazing fun to watch as she chews the scenery. It seemed ridiculously dumb to me that Gordon would tell a little boy that the police were corrupt, etc, at the end -- but I get that it's setup. Not bad--I'm curious to see how it plays out.

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#17Gotham
Posted: 9/26/14 at 11:26am

I can't believe how much I like Jada Pinkett-Smith in this. I usually don't care for her, as all her characters are so similar. She's very different in the pilot.


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#18Gotham
Posted: 9/26/14 at 1:07pm

I liked the pilot. It was fun and looked great. I'll give it a few more episodes to see how everything plays out.

If I wrote this, everything would be leading up to Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. The very last frame would tease something - batman suit, something to kick off season 2.

But that's just me.

eatlasagna
#19Gotham
Posted: 9/26/14 at 1:38pm

I'm with JerseyGirl2 on this one... i was ready to hate Jada Pinkett-Smith because something about her rubs the me the wrong way... but I actually really enjoyed her character in this show (my friend agrees to and felt the same way)

I also really liked the guy who played Oswald.. and I hope to see more of Edward Nygma

Young Bruce was also very good

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#20Gotham
Posted: 9/29/14 at 11:14am

Caught up with this as well, those running shots where beyond awful! Jada was watchable, which is a first for her. Guessing the young girl who saw his parents murdered turns out to be Catwoman?


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#21Gotham
Posted: 9/29/14 at 1:26pm

Considering she was shown feeding stray cats... you are very clever to guess that.

beautywickedlover
#22Gotham
Posted: 10/1/14 at 11:55pm

It was great to see Carol Kane on the show since she was my first Madame Morrible. I was familiar with her work prior to 'Wicked'. So far, I am really liking where this show is going.

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#23Gotham
Posted: 10/2/14 at 12:02am

It's still trying to accomplish too much in an hour long episode. Would be nice to get even more focus from the writers.


Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE

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#24Gotham
Posted: 10/2/14 at 12:48am

The tone is still all over the place for me. What was with the kid snatchers who dressed like they escaped from a 50s movie?