So, no thread yet on The Fappening???

[TheatreFan4]

Find me a case, Sutton. Just because you say something is a sex crime, doesn't make it a sex crime.

No, you don't know **** about Eric Garner because you weren't there. What is known is that he was killed. Whether it was manslaughter or murder, who knows, but it was certainly police brutality. We know that because we know what happened at the scene, we do not know what was going through the cop's mind at the time.

[Everlast85]

I’m pretty sure the fact that they were naked photos of women being leaked without their consent to masturbating men everywhere makes it a crime of a sexual nature. Just sayin'.

In the case of Eric Garner there was videotape, so everyone knows what happened. The medical examiner confirmed it was a homicide due to a chokehold and compression of the chest.

[TheatreFan4]

I’m pretty sure the fact that they were naked photos of women being leaked without their consent to masturbating men everywhere makes it a crime of a sexual nature. Just sayin'.

Prove that it was his intent. You can't. Crimes are not what you think they are, unless you can prove his intent, you can't claim it's a sex crime. Again, find me a case where it's happened with consenting photos of an adult and that'll be the end.

Homicide

Yes, homicide, but that doesn't mean murder. He was definitely killed by the cop.

[MikeInTheDistrict]

Apple makes it incredibly difficult to tell what information is being shared/gathered and where it's going. You actually don't have to opt-in to iCloud backup of everything on your phone. If you have iOS 5 or later, you are automatically connected to iCloud, and all of your files are backed up there. It's all in one of those ginormous agreements that no one reads when you update your phone's operating system, or activate your new phone.

I would wager that most people who have iPhones are not actually aware that their data is already on iCloud. It's not so much a case of "How would anyone entrust their information to the iCloud" -- it's more of, "How did my information end up there without my knowing?" And, theoretically, having your iPhone data backed up on iCloud is no different than entering your credit card information online -- the information is encrypted and supposedly stored safety. Do most of us still feel a twinge of anxiety when we type in our credit card number on Amazon or Telecharge? Or when we log into our bank's website? Or when we are logging into our employer's network through VPN or WiFi. iCloud is no different from any of those things.

The fact is, life in this age entails entrusting your information to a variety of servers. Some of those servers are more secure than others, but nothing is ever 100% secure. iCloud is just a small drop in the bucket in terms of how much of our information can be hacked into. How sheltered do we expect people to live their lives?

Although it's unlike anyone would want a random stranger's photos or non-financial info:

How to Stop iPhone from Automatically Loading Your Camera Roll to iCloud

[YouWantitWhen????]

It is ironic that people get up in arms when the government spies on us with the NSA, but we somehow are less outraged when hackers break multiple federal laws to access and then distribute private personal pictures of celebrities.

And, as mentioned above, I do not know if they intentionally stored them on the iCloud, or any other cloud storage device. It should not matter. If someone came in and stole something from their home, would you say "too bad you have so much money that you made yourself a target"? Whether I agree with taking these photos or not, they are common among men and women - famous or not famous.

What disturbs me is the sense of entitlement that some of these people have - as though this is fine and OK, and these women lose all rights to privacy and ownership over their own bodies, and images of their bodies, just because they are famous.

And, for the record, at least one of the celebrities contends she was a minor when taking the pictures that were posted, so I believe it could be viewed as distributing child pornography.

These seems like a further extension of the behavior and attitude of Elliott Rodger, who saw women solely as a vessel for his sexual needs and desires. While this attitude has always been around, it seems as though among a certain set of young men, it is becoming more prevalent.

And, the argument that just because they took the pictures, they deserved to have them displayed is tantamount (IMO) to telling a woman she was asking for it because she wore a short skirt.

[bwayto]

What the hackers did was completely wrong, and the celebrities are victims. They had a reasonable expectation to privacy and that is why the legal system will deal with the hackers when and if they are caught.

With that said, I still think that these women are really stupid and internet illiterate. I deal with tons of sensitive information and know how to dispose of it, encrypt it, and send it securely. A quick Google search will teach you everything you need to know. There will always be someone to commit a crime and if you leave something somewhere where it can be stolen, it will be. It's the sad reality of life.

If I left a rolex in my locked car, for example, I have reasonable expectation to assume it won't be taken. But I also know that if I wait long enough, someone is going to smash the window, take it and run.

(That car example, btw, did happen to a celebrity: http://perezhilton.com/2013-03-14-julianne-hough-car-robbed-jewelry-stolen#.VAa6-_SwJcQ)

[The Josh]

I just think it's amazing that 1) someone came up with a name like "the fappening" and 2) NEWS SOURCES ARE ACTUALLY CALLING IT THE FAPPENING!

[CATSNYrevival]

They had a reasonable expectation to privacy and that is why the legal system will deal with the hackers when and if they are caught. With that said, I still think that these women are really stupid and internet illiterate.

That is pretty much how I feel about all of this... now where are these pictures of Dave Franco?

[tazber]

This is not about women. And it certainly isn't a "sex crime" It's about theft/online security.

Period. The end.

Men also have their nudes stolen and circulated.
Maybe these female nudes were stolen by a woman for sale to tabloids.


As far as the victims, they are idiots for having their pictures stored anywhere except in a shoe box locked in a safe.




ETA - I had never heard the term "fapping". I had to google it. :-/

[ErikJ972]

I liked this take from The Atlantic.

"There’s a reason why the public tends to revel in hacked or stolen nude pictures. It’s because they were taken without consent. Because the women in them (and it’s almost always women who are humiliated this way) did not want those shots to be shared.

If Jennifer Lawrence was to pose naked on the cover of Playboy, for example, I’m sure it would be a best-selling issue. But it wouldn’t have the same scandalous, viral appeal as private images stolen from her phone. Because if she shared nude images consensually, then people wouldn’t get to revel in her humiliation. And that’s really the point, isn’t it? To take a female celebrity down a notch? (We have a term for when this is done to non-celebrity women: “revenge porn.”)"

What's Wrong With Checking Out Stolen Nude Photos of Celebrities The ethics of looking away

[Liza's Headband]

I know the law, and I know it's a sex crime.

No, you do not. You are wrong. Please provide a legitimate source that backs this claim up. It is not a "sex crime." It is a crime, but not a sex crime.

[madbrian]

I've seen just about every episode and Law & Order: SVU, so I can say with certainty that this is not a sex crime. Stabler and Benson will not be investigating.

[Brian07663NJ]

Nothing is a secret once you tell one person.
That picture you thought you were sending (through the internet or text) traveled! It's out there.

This makes me laugh as much as when my coworker discovered that his iPhone had tracking which could tell where he has been. He went to great length to tell all of us how to disable the feature for privacy. I asked him...Do you use a credit card? That not only tracks where you shop but what you purchase. Use email? If you think you are deleting everything in your computer what about the email in the computer of every person you have corresponded with over the year?

The only way you can be invisible is to not use technology: email, cell phones, credit cards but even that is impossible because you are certainly being recorded on a camera someplace: on the streets, in elevators etc

Don't do anything illegal, realize you aren't unique and carry on. You are more boring than you think.

As for these celebrities being shocked about their nude body being seen...please - they just haven't signed a contract for a movie deal that will pay them to be filmed nude yet.

[ErikJ972]

"That picture you thought you were sending (through the internet or text) traveled! It's out there."
I get what you are saying about privacy but these women didn't necessarily send their pics to anyone.
I think if you have a picture stored on your phone their should be a reasonable expectation that other people will not have access to it. I think many people who are using an iPhone have no idea that there data is being stored on an iCloud. And I don't think Apple does a very good job at informing consumers what the dangers of that may be.

[TheatreFan4]

 To take a female celebrity down a notch?


Nope. Those who will cap to these will gap to nudes be they official or not. The way people view it with an attack angle when there really isn't one to be had is a bit rridiculous.

[ErikJ972]

"Those who will cap to these will gap to nudes be they official or not."
Huh?

*ETA And while this might not be a sex crime it's clearly a crime. Otherwise I would imagine the FBI would not be investigated and the hacker who did it wouldn't be on the run.

[ErikJ972]

It also appears one of the women in the leaked photos was underage. Which is indeed a sex crime.
McKayla Maroney Was Reportedly Underage In Hacked Nude Photos

[TheatreFan4]

Whoops, that was supposed to be fap, but my autocorrect took over.

[AEA AGMA SM]

"Nope. Those who will cap to these will gap to nudes be they official or not. The way people view it with an attack angle when there really isn't one to be had is a bit ridiculous"

Because Perez Hilton posted them to his site (however briefly) because he just wanted to help the men of the internet have something to help them masturbate?

[Borstalboy]

"It is ironic that people get up in arms when the government spies on us with the NSA, but we somehow are less outraged when hackers break multiple federal laws to access and then distribute private personal pictures of celebrities."

Oh, but people aren't up in arms, YWIW. Nobody cares anymore. Our privacy means diddly these days. Don't be so 2013. Big Brother is here and people numbed to it. And the people who are calling these women "stupid" for having personal photos in the Cloud are absolutely beneath contempt. It's the online equivalent of "You were asking for it, baby."

[SonofRobbieJ]

Very little has made me as angry on these boards as the slut-shaming going on in this thread. I have 'compromising' pictures of myself on my phone. Maybe they'll get hacked some day. Maybe not. Whatever. Will you all be calling me 'stupid' if that happens? Honestly...people should have at least a modicum of expectation of privacy for things on their phones...even in the cloud. They weren't just out there for the world to see...these images were hacked. Stolen. As an adult, I understand that perhaps those photos will get out of my control some day. Oh well. I'm not ashamed of my body. I'm not ashamed of the sex I've had because of those photos. I'm all good with the choices I've made in my life. But I'd still feel a little like, 'Really? Why?' if someone were to hack my cloud and steal those photos.

And to say this isn't about sex (and female sexuality, in particular) is completely incorrect. I'm sure they had access to the women's pictures from birthday parties and nights out on the town. But those don't seem to have made it to the webs...or, at the very least, caught anyone's attention.

[tazber]

OriginalGuy did it for the bitcoins

[ErikJ972]

In the case of the underage actress who's pictures were posted it is a sex crime. Assuming that her claim is true.

[javero]

MikeInTheDistrict for the win with "You actually don't have to opt-in to iCloud backup of everything on your phone. If you have iOS 5 or later, you are automatically connected to iCloud, and all of your files are backed up there. It's all in one of those ginormous agreements that no one reads when you update your phone's operating system, or activate your new phone."

Several attorney friends of mine who are freelance writers on the side will not even compose text on their tablets due to fears of having their intellectual property jacked by an employee of their cloud service provider.

I'm also bothered by the sharing agreements between certain social media networks that an unwary user can inadvertently trigger. If not careful, some of our less tech-savvy family members and acquaintances can consent to have our contact information on their phones uploaded to the servers of 3rd party service providers. I went back and forth with a certain social media network that reached out to me via my smartphone for a connection as a result of a colleague syncing up his account on the SM network with a corporate recruiting network to which I belong.

[Liza's Headband]

In the case of the underage actress who's pictures were posted it is a sex crime. Assuming that her claim is true.

Those pictures have yet to be verified; statements by her lawyer don't confirm their authenticity. They are generally believed to be fake, as are a number of other pictures in the collection including those of Winters, Grande, Cuouco, Kardashian, and Justice (they were sprinkled in with the real ones of stars like Dunst, Lawrence, and Upton who have all but confirmed their authenticity).

ETA: Also, we are speaking about McKayla Maroney. She is an Olympic gymnast. Not an actress.

[Taryn]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Robbie. I'm really disappointed in a lot of the sentiments in this thread. This whole thing is just the same as revenge porn, which is a huge problem that our legal system is still way behind in dealing with. It's the forcible, nonconsensual, public sexualization of women. It doesn't matter that they saved their pictures in the cloud. It wouldn't even matter if they sent them to one person. Their internet security savvy doesn't matter. This isn't about internet security or hacking. It's about people wielding power over women -- or, more specifically, their bodies.