HOLLER hollerin' away?

oncemorewithfeeling2
Featured Actor
joined:4/25/13
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Posted: 6/24/14 at 10:27pm
...as mentioned on here as well. Last week's totals were about $170,000, a number that's sad to even think about. The show was a huge risk. I hope it's reworked and rethought and tried in the future, with a new book.


NY Post citing industry sources
Updated On: 6/24/14 at 10:27 PM
haterobics
Broadway Legend
joined:3/29/14
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Posted: 6/24/14 at 10:34pm
You want the show to come back... only reworked, rethought, and with a new book? I think you just want a different show with Tupac music.
formerly oasisjeff on here.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend
joined:7/20/13
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Posted: 6/24/14 at 10:44pm
Jesus, what a waste of everyones time, money, and effort. That producer is spot on, there was never any demographic for this show. I don't understand how they didnt see that.
oncemorewithfeeling2
Featured Actor
joined:4/25/13
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Posted: 6/24/14 at 10:46pm
Hey, I'm totally open a rap musical on broadway. I just want that doesn't have a high school after school special feel about it and has a bearable book. The dance and most of the music in Holler was tight. We can keep that
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend
joined:7/20/13
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Posted: 6/24/14 at 10:53pm
I'm for all kinds of music on Broadway too, but this was terrible way to do it. I hope it finds success in regional theater after they work on it a bit.
Mr. Nowack
Broadway Star
joined:2/2/14
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 01:07am
It really is too bad it didn't work out. It was an intriguing concept, with some killer talent involved, but poor leadership seems to have sunk it. And its limited audience.
I was previously known as Mr. Nowak (Joined: 5/20/13).
RippedMan
Broadway Legend
joined:8/14/05
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:21am
It just seemed rushed. Not sure what the point of it is was. Why not take it out of town first or workshop it somewhere?
Elfuhbuh
Stand-by
joined:3/23/14
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:31am
If I didn't know better, I'd say Max Bialystock was behind this.
neonlightsxo
Broadway Star
joined:7/29/08
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 08:31am
Not defending Holler, but RippedMan, you should have some info before you post. There were two recent workshops that I know of, and Ben Thompson has been tweeting that they've been working on it for 4+ years. So it's not that they didn't workshop it.
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 09:08am
"I think you just want a different show with Tupac music."

As has been frequently pointed out and just as frequently ignored, the music in this show is not by Tupac. Tupac wrote the words.

No one, sadly, actually seems to have the slightest interest in the music of this show, or the person or persons who wrote it.
theatremom2
Chorus Member
joined:5/22/03
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 09:14am
Ironic that with a show with 'hear me' in the title no one was listening. There is no evidence of collaboration or leadership. It is as if the producers expected the different aspects of the show to snap together like a childs puzzle 2 weeks before rehersal without prior planning or forethought. In 2 workshops, nobody noticed problems with the book and other techicical feature?. It isn't like they weren't warned. Which they chose to dismiss



Updated On: 6/25/14 at 09:14 AM
haterobics
Broadway Legend
joined:3/29/14
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 11:18am
"As has been frequently pointed out and just as frequently ignored, the music in this show is not by Tupac. Tupac wrote the words. "

Interesting. I think I got that impression from their tagline, which is: "The Music is Tupac. The Story Is Now."

"In 2 workshops, nobody noticed problems with the book and other techicical feature?"

From what I heard, although I don't know which of the workshops it refers to, the impression was that the book needed a lot of work after the workshop.

"they've been working on it for 4+ years."

Duration of time has no correlation to quality of work.
formerly oasisjeff on here.
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend
joined:5/28/13
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 11:20am
Newintown is technically correct. It is not the music of Tupac but, rather, the words of Tupac. Tupac wrote lyrics and poems and rhymes. Not music. He was not a composer. But that's probably nitpicking a little too much since he did produce all of those songs thus making it the "music of Tupac."
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 11:29am
I didn't know until now that "producer" and "composer" were interchangeable words.
ACL2006
Broadway Legend
joined:2/11/06
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 11:37am
still no offical word that this is closing on Sunday.
A Chorus Line played its final Broadway performance on August 17, 2008. The tour played its final performance on August 21, 2011. A new non-equity tour started in October 2012 played its final performance on March 23, 2013.
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 11:44am
newintown. In the music industry, one could produce (or arrange) a song without having to compose it. It happens all the time.
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 12:05pm
Sounds like a rationalization from a non-musician/composer to me. Composers should receive credit for their work, no matter who "produced" or "arranged" it later.
Reginald Tresilian
Broadway Legend
joined:6/12/08
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 12:11pm
In hip hop, rap, and techno, the producer is the person creating the music. It isn't traditional composing, but rather making use of samplers, sequencers, drum machines, synthesizers, etc. In other words, the producer creates the instrumental tracks but isn't a composer per se.



Updated On: 6/25/14 at 12:11 PM
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 12:16pm
I don't know who it was, but the actual sung parts of Holler had to have been written by a composer of some kind, not just cobbled together by a studio technician.
Reginald Tresilian
Broadway Legend
joined:6/12/08
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 12:18pm
I'm sure you're right; I don't really know anything about the show. I was just talking about the use of the word "producer" in that genre of music. It may not apply at all to the score of this show.
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 12:30pm
I understand your point; I might decry it as an aspect of our increasingly dilettante culture, where music is no longer actually taught as a technique, and so the average listener just assumes it "happens" somehow, rather than having any real understanding of the process of actually writing music.
roadmixer
Leading Actor
joined:7/28/07
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 01:57pm
Of course Riedel could simply be guessing... Why would 'a source' indicate Sunday as closing when their playing week runs Thursday to Tuesday?
haterobics
Broadway Legend
joined:3/29/14
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:10pm
They probably just said this week, and he just assumed a normal dark Monday schedule.

Plus, their performance schedule may not affect what is considered a week at the theater. Like, their grosses are reported every Monday. And, what day they close could affect their rent at the Palace, etc. So, for a lot of other things, their week may go Sunday to Sunday, and the performance schedule is just different.
formerly oasisjeff on here.
Updated On: 6/25/14 at 02:10 PM
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:34pm
I decried over you. Now it's your turn to decry over me.
yr pal,
joey




Blocked so far: suestorm, Master Bates
newintown
Broadway Legend
joined:3/3/10
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:52pm
C'mon and decry me a river, Joey.
Blactor
Understudy
joined:8/11/11
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Posted: 6/25/14 at 02:59pm
Newintown,

As someone who used to listen to a LOT of hip-hop (I find it pretty boring these days), I see where you're coming from in terms of the label of Producer vs. Composer. As has been stated already, typically in the Hip-Hop world the "Producer" is understood as the person that COMPOSED the beat/track that the lyricist is rhyming over.

Any while it's true that many hip-hop producers don't have a background in composing, or even music theory (not that that has stopped song-writers in other genres), there are DEFINITELY hip-hop producers that UNDERSTAND music through intuition and practice.

That's why people like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Pharell (of the group N.E.R.D....who wrote the popular song "Happy"), Missy Elliot, Outkast, and reaching back further to folks like Pete Rock, DJ Premiere, RZA, and a prolific producer named J-Dilla (whom I consider to be the greatest hip-hop producer of all time, he died of Lupus many years ago), have had such long and varied careers. These people have an understanding of and respect for music, and were usually heavily influenced by jazz, R&B, rock & roll, and soul music of the generations before them. Listen to Andre3000's "Love Below" album, or Mos Def's "Black on Both Sides", and while they are definitely hip-hop records, there's a LOT of musicality (Andre's album even includes an uptempo instrumental cover of "My Favorite Things").

It's off-topic but I did want to throw in my two cents--as rapper Talib Kweli once said, there's a difference between someone who makes music vs. someone who just "makes beats".

Okay, enough thread-jacking :)

Updated On: 6/25/14 at 02:59 PM

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