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[Jane2]

South Florida said "You guys who keep repeating "the bad guys will still get guns" miss the point.  If you make it harder to get guns less bad guys will be able to get them. "

You're missing the point. If someone wants a gun, they will get one.

" Ignore all the international data about gun laws in other countries, how we lead the league by a mile.  Just stick to your cliches, don't do any serious analysis, keep showing how idiotic you are by using these cliches."

I didn't know it was a cliche. Shows I'm a really big idiot.

[PalJoey]

 

when the Nazis came to power they took the guns away from the citizens unless they were part of the Party.

 

Please don't ever say that again. It's offensive to Jews and other Holocaust survivors.

 

"The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families."

--Anti-Defamation League (ADL) director Abraham Foxman, January 2013

[Mister Matt]

Did anyone say that by making guns illegal, it would end gun violence completely?  Or that nobody would be able to acquire guns illegally?  That particular response doesn't work if nobody is making the claim.  And as Erik points out, pointing to cases in France and Germany is a ludicrous comparison.  If you want to make a fair comparison (and it seems you'd rather avoid it), you'd have to take into account gun violence statistics per capita.  Otherwise, you look like a fool.

Eliminating gun violence would be wonderful.  As wonderful as ending poverty and unemployment and racism and homophobia and lots of other bad things.  A realistic goal, however, would be lowering gun violence per capita.  And the NRA (or any other bone-headed redneck) has yet to convince me that the answer is more guns in the hands of Americans.  

[Petralicious]

I love how Pal Joey pick and choose his quotes, we have seen all the time when he is in Shillary Mode. Offensive is your non supportive of Israel .

 

MisterMatt, you are right, it would not eliminate completely. But the way people talk they act like it is easy and that will solve it.  The crazy people and terrorist would move to bomb, poison and maybe even gas

[South Florida]

Thanks Matt.

"Question: do you deny/dispute the existence of an illegal black market for guns?"

Liza, where did that come from.  There's a black market for guns anywhere they're hard to find.  A bad guy who wants an assault weapon in other countries has to pay upwards of 30 times more than any loser who can scrape together a $1,000 here.  But I guess higher costs wouldn't stop any bad guys.  Why are so many of you blind and lazy when it comes to the facts Erik and Matt put forth.  Petralicious, you're an absolute dumbass. 

[PalJoey]

 

Also, please don't use the would Shillary. It is offensive to women and other human beings.

And I don't need SueStorm to lecture me on who is more supportive of Israel. You would lose on that one in a big way.

 

 

[Petralicious]

You seem to be constantly offended PalBernieBaby. 

There is no dispute that in 1938 Hitler relaxed the gun laws the Allies put on Germany, except for Jews, he made it illegal for them to own. 

 

Hello, I fixed typo from 1928 to 1938. Thank you South Florida for showing me

[Mister Matt]

Double post

[Mister Matt]

 The crazy people and terrorist would move to bomb, poison and maybe even gas

Perhaps.  But what about the victims of gun violence that didn't involving mass shootings, which make up the majority of gun-related deaths in the US?  It's not about a definitive end to gun violence with one proposal.  It's about reducing an ever-increasing problem that has spiked like an epidemic.  One that the gun clutchers only seem to be able to address by putting words into the mouths of their opponents or pretending that the Second Amendment specifically states that they can own any gun they want (which it doesn't) in abundance.  The heights of irresponsibility displayed by this country with regard to gun violence, to me, indicates the need for an Amendment that restates the 2nd Amendment.  

[Petralicious]

Mr Matt, i agree with you, there is no place for machine gun guns. The problem is the loudest protesters do not stop there. they want handgun and hunting guns illegal too. That is why they can not get any support for the law, Regular people who own them are afraid their gun is next. it is a basic right of United States.  

[Mr Roxy]

Read my previous post. You own a gun for protection or shooting at a gun range. You own a rifle for hunting. There is no need to buy one a day. There is no need to have enough ammunition to fight WW 2 all over again.

 

Gun checks are fine but it would not have stopped Sandy Hook. The gunmans mother bought it legally and for some god awful reason gave it to her wacko son. She paid the price but so did the victims. You cannot stop all the crazies in the world but you can stop most of them if both sides come to a consensus and stop digging in and fighting each other.

[madbrian]

Petralicious said: "Mr Matt, i agree with you, there is no place for machine gun guns. The problem is the loudest protesters do not stop there. they want handgun and hunting guns illegal too. That is why they can not get any support for the law, Regular people who own them are afraid their gun is next. it is a basic right of United States."

Delete your account.

[Liza's Headband]

Perhaps those fervently in favor of the "No Fly, No Buy" legislation, which I mostly support, should speak to the progressive, left-leaning ACLU which vehemently opposes such measures due to a lack of transparency regarding the No Fly list; we are not told who controls the lists, what qualifies you for the list, and so on. It is the ultimate governmental threat to our civil liberties and freedom. 

[Jane2]

Petralicious said " The problem is the loudest protesters do not stop there. they want handgun and hunting guns illegal too."

Yes, I'm one of those people. No one needs to have a gun at all. I'm for changing the second amendment.

I noticed that when you first appeared as Petralicous, you were much nicer and seemed to want to get along with most people here. You've gradually gotten more argumentative and hostile.

[PalJoey]

 

There is no dispute that in 1928 Hitler relaxed the gun laws the Allies put on Germany, except for Jews, he made it illegal for them to own. 

 

You have been asked twice now, with the sentiment of the Anti-Defamation League behind me, to cease from using your incomplete understanding of our Holocaust to further your political views.

It was offensive the first time. The second time, it is deeply offensive. Especially considering what YOUR people did to the Jews before and during World War Two. The Ukrainian people willingly--and with bloodthirst--helped the Nazis eradicate close to one million Jews. 

Please refrain from invoking the Holocaust again. You don't deserve to make the reference.

I repeat what Abraham Foxman said:


"The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families."
 

[Petralicious]

I am sorry you say that Jane. I have been nice to every one and just trying to get my point across. you cannot see no personal attack or name calling from me

[PalJoey]

The sock puppets always start out nice, but after a while, they revert back to their old behavior. In this case, Petra is reverting back to her previous identity, SueStorm.

[Jane2]

No, Petra, I don't see you name calling or personally attacking. I just noticed a change in your posting style.

[South Florida]

There is no dispute that in 1928 Hitler relaxed the gun laws the Allies put on Germany, except for Jews, he made it illegal for them to own.

Oh brother, 1928, Hitler was 4-5 years from power, very sad petrolicious.

[Petralicious]

That is typo South Florida, thank you for showing me. it is 1938.  I have corrected it.

 

Joey thinks who ever does not agree with him is mean.  Even liking Hilary which I do is not enough, you must be a SHillary and never question anything about her, even stuff she did or said

[PalJoey]

 

The Ukrainians had guns. But that didn't help them keep the Nazis at bay.

 

No, as a matter of fact, the Ukrainians turned those guns on the Jews of the Ukraine! And helped the Nazis murder almost a million of them.

 

So don't come around here lecturing to us about EITHER gun control or the Holocaust!

[South Florida]

Despicable Petrocious.  Don't ever compare stuff with what the Nazi's did, it puts a stamp on your ignorance.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

[Petralicious]

I never said anything about Holocuast or that it would prevent it. I showing that one of the ways this Government showed it did not care about the people was to take rights away from their people this way.

Thank you South Florida for posting that article.  Sorry You did not take time to read it or you would see this:

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

 And this too which is exactly what I said. 

In short, Nazi-era Germany imposed greater gun restrictions for Jews (and other perceived enemies) at the same time it loosened gun restrictions for other groups.
 

[PalJoey]

 

Stop, SueStorm. Just stop. Referencing the Holocaust is inappropriate and DEEPLY offensive.

Just stop.

 

[Petralicious]

You PalJoeyBaby are the only one referencing and exploiting the Holocaust to support your view and THAT is highly offensive. 

Just Stop

[BeadleDeedle]

You stop! Stop this weird trolling as a young girl thing you got going on. Creepy.