There will be no catastrophe so ghastly that America will reform it's gun laws

[PalJoey]

Diva, that list is completely wrong as the majority of those incidents listed do not meet the FBI's classification of a "mass murder."

To paraphrase our next president, With all due respect, the fact is we have too many dead Americans. Are they mass murders or mass shootings? What difference, at this point, does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.

[FindingNamo]

Libertarians don't undertand the phrase "too many" unless it's being used in the context of business regulation.

[Liza's Headband]

Sorry, paradox, but my citation of the definition was directly from the FBI, which is the chief administrator of such statistics in America. If you do a simple Google search of "mass shootings," that list doesn't show up because the FBI defines it as four or more deaths in one continuous incident.

I have no qualms with gun control. I am completely for it, and strongly believe in it. But using false and inaccurate information doesn't bolster our argument.. It hurts it. There's no need to chastise me for wanting the correct information displayed.

[FindingNamo]

As everyone knows, the entire thing hinges on one BWW thread.

[Mister Matt]

A rather disturbing chart on the Washington Post website.
Weapons and mass shootings

[SNAFU]

He chart of Killers with mental health issues is very sobering.

[bethnor]

Sorry, paradox, but my citation of the definition was directly from the FBI, which is the chief administrator of such statistics in America. If you do a simple Google search of "mass shootings," that list doesn't show up because the FBI defines it as four or more deaths in one continuous incident.

one has to realize that there's nothing magical about the number four. it is probably a functional definition for administrative purposes. why is three people being mowed down by a gun that much less horrific than four?

[FindingNamo]

It doesn't matter! It just IS! It says so right on the website! Stop trying to make things count when they don't count! Perhaps we should HAVE NO STANDARDS AT ALLLLLLLL!

[Liza's Headband]

1 KILLED. 2 KILLED. 3 KILLED. All tragic, unnecessary deaths are horrific. And I'm sorry you feel that I was implying it wasn't.

Reread my post. I was correcting some terribly inaccurate information. So if you do not believe in the chief administrator's standards, Bethnor, how do you recommend we accurately track "mass shootings"? Is two deaths a "mass shooting" or three deaths? I don't know why four is the magic number and, frankly, it makes no difference to me since I am not responsible for tracking those statistics. The FBI is, however, and this is their own definition. By the book. Has been for decades.

It doesn't make any shooting less tragic or notable, but we also need to use correct and accurate information when making our case. It doesn't help us -- it hurts us. Diva proves my point but stating that I'm just "wrong," yet doesn't actually address the fact that I lifted the definition from the FBI's publications. If the chief administrator of the statistics is wrong, who is right?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Here's another list for you (I mean everyone but Liza)


Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, And It Isn’t Weapons

[Liza's Headband]

YES!!! That list just reinforces my view stated earlier in this thread: "You do realize all mass murderers over the last 25 years had been treated for - or were diagnosed with - some kind of mental illness, deficiency, etc., and/or were on psychotropic drugs leading up to their rampage... Right? Even Harris and Klebold, who were never formally diagnosed and are the one exception, had been subjected to numerous antidepressant drugs during high school. "

[FindingNamo]

Oooooh, be careful. He will stop at nothing to go after you if you call him on his crap.

Incidentally, he was a bit wrong about his "forcible rape" issues in the Bryan Singer thread.


See for yourselves!

[CarlosAlberto]

^ Ha! Well ain't that a kick in the head. His "forcible rape" theory just went down the proverbial crapper. It actually is justified by the FBI, and it is their definition.

BY. THE. BOOK.!!!

[FindingNamo]

IT IS WHAT THE FBI SAYS!

[PalJoey]

Those who feel the need to be right all the time never seem to realize that all they are doing is attempting to make other people wrong all the time.

It's why sociopaths never have friends.

[Mister Matt]

I think Fox News defines "mass shootings" as two or more white victims. And the Joe Gage definition has something white it in as well, I believe.

[CarlosAlberto]

And it pisses me off that it wants to nit pick about what constitutes a mass shooting and what doesn't constitute a mass shooting. Lives were lost...a lot of lives were lost - in senseless shootings. That is all that matters and that is the point.

Screw what that FBI book says or how it's worded.

[FindingNamo]

OR the accessory admits it was dead wrong about forcible rape, BY THE BOOK.

But again, why would anybody make an effort to reinforce their d-bagginess.

I'd love it if the accessory explained what the goal is.

[TheatreDiva90016]

^^^^^^^^


DING DING DING!!!

[FindingNamo]

That's a libertarian for you.

[Jane2]

Yes, and off the top of my head I can think of two more we have here who migrated from ATC.

[FindingNamo]

ecccccch

[TheatreDiva90016]

PA man kills 9-months pregnant girlfriend with shotgun blast to face, says it was an accident

[paradox_error]

Diva, why are you posting that here? Don't you know this thread is about mass shootings and the FBI defines that as four or more deaths? The baby survived, so that's only one death... It just doesn't count.

*facepalm*

[Liza's Headband]

Do you think "mass" shooting = 1 death?

Just curious..

[Jane2]

wow, the censorship is tight and skin is thin here! I guess calling someone a stuffed shirt is a heinous crime! Watch what you say, friends!