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Posted: 9/17/13 at 03:19pm
Any theories? These are usually Oscar bait and an opportunity to get the composer of a pre-existing work qualified for an award.

So which character gets it? If Disney wants this for awards recognition the tendency is to have a ballad. But ITW has plenty of them.

An ensemble song? A song for the Giantess? Another song for the witch to bolster Streep's role?

A song for the Baker who loses No More?

Or just something under the closing titles like Chicago did with "I Move On" - which didn't seem to register with anyone.

Guesses?
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 03:21pm
Isn't it for Streep in place of the Lament?
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 03:36pm
Oh, I hadn't heard that. So it's an Uptown,Downtown to Lucy and Jessie to Ah, But Underneath sort of thing?

Same message new song?

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Posted: 9/17/13 at 04:50pm
Won't "Rainbows" be eligible for best song? Or since it's been used in the last revival of "Marry Me a Little", will it be ineligible?
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 05:06pm
The rules are very clear when it comes to Original Song nominations. The song must be written, wholly original, for the film.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 05:09pm
Which is why the producers of movie versions of musicals like a brand new song that fits Academy rules.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 06:15pm
Well, if they want to get arse-y about it, "Rainbows" was written for the film.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 06:54pm
LOL

I just posted this in another thread, but since there are three threads talking about the same thing, I'll add it to this one, for people who want to know.

"Lament" is not cut. It's in the movie, in a truncated form, that uses about two-thirds of the song as a lead-in to a new song for the Witch. There is no indication of what that song will be. It literally says "new song for the witch."

Rainbows is not in the movie.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 08:00pm
best12bars, is your information from last spring's draft, which has circulated for a while? I'd be leery of claiming definitively that a song is in or out based on that document.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 08:03pm
None of the songs are safe until the final cut of the film. They can shoot all the songs but if the director feels like it stops the momentum of the motion picture, he can still choose to cut it in the editing phase, whether or not it was in the current version of the script. They have a year to go back and do reshoots if ever they needed to replace a song with dialogue.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 09:32pm
best12bars, is your information from last spring's draft, which has circulated for a while? I'd be leery of claiming definitively that a song is in or out based on that document.

I'm only claiming it's from that draft. Where on earth did you get the idea otherwise?

EDIT: There are too many threads now with the same information. That's probably the trouble. Nobody is reading the same threads, so they ask the same questions over and over again.
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Posted: 9/17/13 at 09:45pm
I didn't really get the idea otherwise, but your post did state "it's in the movie," which is a pretty definitive statement and not one that I immediately equate to "it was in a draft." I knew you weren't trying to say that you had new inside information, but I was trying to help clarify in a gentle way.
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Posted: 9/18/13 at 02:30am
Using this space to bemoan the loss of my favorite song in the score.
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Posted: 9/18/13 at 05:58pm
Or just something under the closing titles like Chicago did with "I Move On" - which didn't seem to register with anyone.

I don't have a link, but I am sure I read that the Academy changed the rules so that a nominated song has to be used within the film itself and not just under the credits.
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Posted: 9/18/13 at 07:56pm
The current Academy rules for Best Original Song:

An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the motion picture. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the motion picture or as the first music cue in the end credits.


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Posted: 9/18/13 at 08:30pm
My apologies for initiating a thread that is not only apparently redundant, but has created grab bag of confusion.

To make matters worse (hah), here is my dream addition to the movie. The opening of the second act:

instead of "So Happy" the Baker and the Baker's Wife sing a duet, Two Fairy Tales - cut from A Little Night Music - to thier infant. As they begin singing the final lines "but it's always been my favorite" the ground begins to shake.
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 11:35am
I'm sorry if this has been asked but I haven't been able to keep all the info straight due to all the threads.

I read in one them that No More was cut. Is that true? (I hope not!)

Can someone who read the draft of that older script list what songs (if any) are out?
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 12:22pm
I don't know if I can list them all, but "No More" is not in the leaked script. There is a short scene in its place between the Baker and his father.

Off the top of my head (and I'm missing some of the cuts from that script) ...

Agony (Reprise)
Part of "Lament," but 2/3 of it is still there as a lead-in to the new song for the Witch
Ever After
So Happy
I Guess This Is Goodbye
No More

Most of them have been replaced by shorter dialogue scenes.

So here's what's still in it:

Prologue: Into the Woods
Hello, Little Girl
I Know Things Now
A Very Nice Prince
Giants In the Sky
Agony
It Takes Two
Stay With Me
On the Steps of the Palace
Lament (partial, leading into a new witch song)
Any Moment
Moments in the Woods
Your Fault
Last Midnight
No One Is Alone
Finale: Children Will Listen

There are other bits and pieces still in as well, like when the stepsisters cut off their toe and heel, that singing is still in the leaked script.
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 12:27pm
Thanks Besty!

Are the "Midnight Gone"'s still in there?
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 01:00pm
I can't remember how they're handled in the leaked script, but I'm pretty sure they're gone.

EDIT: I think various characters mention that "one midnight is gone already" or "two midnights have passed," that sort of thing ...
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 03:15pm
That's a shame. Those songs were filled with all the character's "lessons" (A slotted spoon doesn't hold much soup, etc.)

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Posted: 9/19/13 at 03:29pm
True. They are gone now.

One of the biggest challenges about any of these multiple "I've learned something new" moments is, on film, who are they telling it to? Nobody is breaking the fourth wall in the movie and talking to the camera. Lapine had to solve "I Know Things Now" and "The Steps of the Palace" and did a nice job with both. But all of those lines being spoken amongst the characters to each other (conversationally) doesn't feel as much like lessons learned as "silly quips."

I hope and believe there are other ways we'll see the characters evolving and changing without being so presentational with it.

I can tell you one thing ... when I read the whole script, I didn't miss them.
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 03:49pm
Well you've put my mind at ease!

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Posted: 9/19/13 at 04:54pm
I don't see why a song couldn't be sung to no one in particular. The "Midnight"s might not have worked like that, but I see why "I Know Things Now" and "On the Steps of the Palace" need to be sung to someone.
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 05:43pm
A good chunk of each of those songs has the character describing some event that just happened. It's different than an inner monologue of thought or emotions.

Cinderella describes how she left her shoe on the steps. She wouldn't describe that internally to herself ... in third-person ... after having just lived through it. If she ran through the woods, singing this to herself, she would look bonkers.

Same thing with Little Red describing how the wolf ate her. Same thing with Jack describing how he escaped the giant.

These songs serve (partially) as exposition for the audience, having a character tell their story, so it doesn't really work to have that "internalized" in someone's private thoughts.

Maybe some in a movie audience wouldn't have problems with that. I think most people would, including me.

EDIT: Expressing emotion in song, privately, is different. I think many love songs can be sung "to no one" as you say, because it is inner emotions and thoughts. So, I guess my point is, not all songs are created equal. They can't all work the same way.
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Posted: 9/19/13 at 10:03pm
...or as the first music cue in the end credits....

Thank you, best12. I can't help but wonder the point of the rule: where ELSE would you put an Oscar-hopeful song but in the film or at the beginning of the credits?

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