THE New Normal

WhizzerMarvin TrinaJasonMendel
Broadway Legend
joined:5/26/05
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 11:08am
Well I think Ivy Lynn is fun in a campy villain sort of way. She isn't as delicious as say Amanda on Melrose Place, but I think she could veer in that direction under the new Gossip Girl director.
Marie: Don't be in such a hurry about that pretty little chippy in Frisco. Tony: Eh, she's a no chip!
Jordan Catalano
Broadway Legend
joined:10/9/05
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 11:23am
I find her disgusting and can fully understand why her mother was never around.
TheatreDiva90016
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joined:4/10/04
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:10pm
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
Bettyboy72
Broadway Legend
joined:3/31/06
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:13pm
Ivy Lynn is wretched. I second her getting hit by a bus. Rotten human being. I hope she dies from the pills. Poorly written character who gets none of my sympathy.

Back to the New Normal. I watched last night due to Jackie being on and she surprised me by grounding the show. Barkin needs to go. Her character is a sore thumb. This is a sitcom. It shouldn't get as ugly as it did with Barkin calling her one night stand "fat".

Also, it highlights Ryan's horrible writing skills. He can't write a character arch. I think he writes every character from his persepctive on any given day. He's not true to them.

If Nana did have a one night stand (which seemed unlikely), a woman as closed as her would not go to the enemy to discuss it, much less open up about it at a picnic to a stranger. Women like that don't work like that.

I'm reaching a little here, but it is also hard to believe that a woman who oozes sex and sex appeal like Barkin would be unware of sex. Barkin is walking sex. Maybe she was cast wrong for the role of a conservative marm. She walks like she's had many orgasms and talks like she knows the ways of the world and has experience with men.

I'd cut her loose, add Hoffman and bring the show down to earth.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend
joined:9/16/07
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:27pm
I wonder if I'd like Ivy Lynn less if I liked Karen Cartwright more at all.

Updated On: 10/3/12 at 12:27 PM
JoeKv99
Broadway Legend
joined:12/27/04
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:44pm
Comparing "Smash" to "The New Normal" is like comparing Arby's to a mouthful of glass.
No good can possibly come from using this vast wasteland of error and deliberate deceit. You should get off of it and warn others away. You should make sure your children and grandchildren know what a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution it truly is.
Jordan Catalano
Broadway Legend
joined:10/9/05
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:50pm
Oh man, I'd kill for some Arby's right now.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
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joined:9/16/07
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 12:51pm
I would like to go to Arby's with Ivy Lynn.
Jordan Catalano
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joined:10/9/05
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:03pm
"Goin' to Arby's with Ivy Lynn" sounds like a country song.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend
joined:9/16/07
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:05pm
Or a euphemism.
Reginald Tresilian
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joined:6/12/08
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:08pm
^ HA!!!!!
Jordan Catalano
Broadway Legend
joined:10/9/05
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:16pm
Goin' down to Arby's
With my girlfriend Ivy Lynn
What a lucky guy I am
I wish she had a twin

Cuz that roast beef is delicious
And them buns at half bad, too
And when you put 'em both together
There's only one thing I can do

I'm gonna lap up all that roast beef
French dip it with my tongue
And Ivy's gonna love it, boy
That's why this song was sung.
JoeKv99
Broadway Legend
joined:12/27/04
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:25pm
Ivy Lynn, like an Arby's sandwich. really comes alive with a touch of Horsey Sauce.
No good can possibly come from using this vast wasteland of error and deliberate deceit. You should get off of it and warn others away. You should make sure your children and grandchildren know what a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution it truly is.
Jordan Catalano
Broadway Legend
joined:10/9/05
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 01:27pm
After you scrape all the cheese off, of course.
TheatreDiva90016
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joined:4/10/04
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 02:29pm
Something, something...
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend
joined:7/22/03
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 02:36pm
I find the critical analysis like the "gaycism" article really right on the money. I think it's important to look at the overall comedy scene, not just sitcoms, to find out who in which generation is out there on the stand-up stages giving people permission to be "politically incorrect." In this era, I lay this squarely at the feet of Lisa Lampanelli, former copy editor, SPY magazine.
yes, you
EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
THE New Normal
Posted: 10/3/12 at 02:44pm
"A very interesting read....
GAYCISM AND THE NEW NORMAL: THE ¯HOT¯ TREND THIS TV SEASON IS BIGOTRY "

It was interesting when Phyllis posted it two pages back, as well But this thread has grown so big, it's good to see it linked again. I think it's the best piece written on the show yet.

As Namo says, I especially appreciate it being pointed out (like it has previously with the articles on "hipster racism" something Murphy loves as well), that there's a pervasiveness now of hiding behind your jokes by calling them proudly politically incorrect, instead of aknowledging what they are.

Yesterday's episode was the first one that neither Murphy or Ali scripted--I don't know if that's why ti seemed to have less "zingers", but it still had his typically weird pacing issues. Some stories seem to zip along, and other ones like this custody stuff get about one line each episode.
Mister Matt
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joined:5/17/03
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 02:48pm
Lisa Lamanelli? Isn't she that touchy hothead from The Celebrity Apprentice?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
EricMontreal22
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joined:10/31/11
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 03:18pm
I had no idea she did Apprentice. I just know her from all the celeb roasts she does. Her shtick seems to be completely based on insult/shock comedy (Wiki says she moved from "journalism" to comedy because "I was glad that I could say the N word and get paid!").
FindingNamo
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joined:7/22/03
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 03:18pm
Lampanelli's the Andrew Dice Clay of her generation, giving people pop cultural permission to give in to their basest prejudices.
yes, you
Phyllis Rogers Stone
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joined:9/16/07
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 03:32pm
I'm really over all the ironic, hipster racism stuff, even in comedians like Sarah Silverman, where I tend to "get" what she's doing, but a lot of her older stuff just makes me cringe now. It kind of made me cringe, then, too. I remember going to see Jesus is Magic and being in a cinema full of white people laughing at her racially questionable jokes and thinking that there was something very uncomfortable about that.

Speaking of not getting things, a good friend of mine sent me a note today after I Facebook posted the gaycism article and asked, "What's going on with the New Normal? It's not the best show, but please tell me you get what it's doing and don't agree with that blog author. Just curious" Like the Brokeback fracas before this, there's always a gay contingent that seems to think if you don't like it, you're not "getting" it and if you only did, you'd be with everyone else singing its praises.
ljay889
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joined:8/4/04
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 03:58pm
I absolutely LOVE that it took Jackie Hoffman (of all people) to ground this show a bit. They should make her a regular.
#sadandtransparent
SonofRobbieJ
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joined:12/10/09
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 04:04pm
There is one thing I don't 'get' about all the sharp feelings this show is inspiring.

I think it's so friggin mediocre that I can't imagine it inspiring any strong feelings of anything in anyone.
EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 04:17pm
Ha, now I'm curious what the Brokeback fracas was (aside from I know among gay people I knew who really disliked it, their main criticism was it was boring). Unless it has to do with the fact that it wasn't all that groundbreaking to have a mainstream gay movie--which shows a tragic romance.

Sarah Silverman was actually someone I was thinking of who at times--and like yous ay much more in her older stuff--I do get a bit uncomfortable laughing at her jokes. Obviously she's smart in her humour, and aware of what she's doing--one reason I think her act has improved vastly over the time, but... (I admit, I have some issue with the beloved Louis CK and some of his bits, like why the F word should be embraced and used, even if I can still appreciate that he's being smart about it).

Robbie, Ryan Murphy shows tend to cause that reaction in general (well, aside from the fact that they usually outstay their welcome, and by the final years of Nip/Tuck and the last couple of Glee, most people seem to have given up discussing the shows). I think it's not helped by the man himself, who likes to put himself out there as a controversial figure who causes these reactions that he seems to think cause society to realize deep truths about themselves.
Jordan Catalano
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joined:10/9/05
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 04:20pm
I can't wait until we, as a society, are past the point where just because there's a gay character on a show, said show is revolutionary and inspiring.
SonofRobbieJ
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joined:12/10/09
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Posted: 10/3/12 at 04:29pm
Oh...those Brokeback days. Let's just say that PalJoey is lucky I'm a borderline alcoholic, otherwise he would have ended up with a martini in his face.

But I just adore him now!

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