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Barack Obama campaign lies and flip-flops

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Reginald Tresilian
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Someone once sent me this bit about trolls. It seems apt.

An Internet troll is a person who takes pleasure in sowing discord on the Internet, an individual who enjoys creating conflict. He or she creates and fuels arguments that upset other members of the online community. Their aim is to provoke biased others to take up their cause. The overarching goal is to damage people, entities, or ideas with which the Internet troll disagrees, or to provoke controversy.

Internet trolls have been described as "sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful¯. They typically possess a poorly developed set of social skills and have difficulty viewing their actions from the perspectives of their victims. They may be callous to the fact that they are harming real people, instead viewing Internet users as "digital abstractions". They may thus feel no remorse for harm they cause, and in fact may judge their own level of "success" by the amount of that harm. Most are impervious to rationale, mature arguments against their wares, and will protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed if ever there is an attempt to call them on their trolling.

Internet trolls are additionally interested in meeting their own attention-needs, which are often unmet in their real life, and may suffer from various psychological disorders. Whether trolling is a protected free speech activity or whether it amounts to libel and defamation depends upon the nature, content, and result of the statements by the troll.
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TheatreDiva90016
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Wow! Pretty spot on, I would say!
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
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Phyllis Rogers Stone
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At the end of the day, the only thing that stops them (barring moderator intervention, which seems to be hit or miss) is to just not engage. But everyone has to do that. All it takes is one to take the bait. And there's always one. There's always more than one.
mikey2573
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I am back!

Where to begin? Well, let's start with the most obvious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

THe individual mandate is NOT a tax, the President insisted. Well, the SCOTUS says it IS a tax. So, Obama's signature legislation from his first term was based on a lie. If the penalty had been called a tax in the bill, it never would have passed the Congress. Even Democrats would not have supported it.

Then there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVMWjTQh_Y

So, people making less than $250,000 will not be paying for ACA??? Another big lie.
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mikey2573
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Interesting but very simplistic way of explaining the "problem". Unfortunately, what the woman in the video fails to address is the much larger Constitutional issue. Simply because the federal government sees and identifies a "crisis" does NOT empower the federal government to sweep in and "solve" said crisis. The Constitution is a document which created a LIMITED and DEFINED federal government. The federal government is a function of the Constitution, the Constitution is NOT a function of the federal government. That is to say, the Constitution tells the federal government what it can and cannot do. The federal government does not define, rewrite, or interpret what the Constitution lets it do. It would be akin to a baseball game where one team has the power to "interpret" to rules of the game in their favor.
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PalJoey
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It would be akin to a baseball game...

No, actually. It would not be.
yr pal,
joey




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TheatreDiva90016
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You couldn't afford to vacation through the holiday, mikey?

You need to get a better job.
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
mikey2573
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"No, actually. It would not be."

Hmmm, well that is a very powerful argument you are offering up there, Joey. I will have to take a few days to chew over such a vast intellectual thesis and get back to you.
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TheatreDiva90016
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It's takes you THAT long to find a quote to cut and paste?
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
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Jordan Catalano
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Well all his money goes to pay for health care (which he LOVES) so he can't afford anything other than dialup. So google is kinda slow at his place.
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jasonf
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Let him take his few days!

Who's he threatening?
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
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romantico
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Oh the irony. Here was the last thing Mikey said before he left on vacation.

"And this week promises to be BIG for Obama, with the possibility of his signature pieces of legislation being deemed unconstitutional. Of course, w ealready KNOW it is, but this SCOTUS has some judges who have comprehension issues."

So Mikey, you are not gloating. We all know if this went the way you and your 'idiot followers' would have liked, you would be rubbing it in,gloating, and having a grand ole' time.

YOU ARE WRONG! It IS Constitutional! Despite you disagreeing with the outcome IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL. Congress, The President, and NOW the SCOTUS says so! YOU ARE WRONG! Of course, you are a coward and will NEVER admit it,despite history,and the evidence. Nope, people like Mikey always think they know more than those who make the laws,study the laws, and actually went to school and argued cases defending the law.The Tea Baggers know it all.They feel betrayed not only by Obama winning this one but one of their own (CJ Roberts) betrayed them,so the sting is even more painful.

Like I said, you were a cruel son of a bitch gloating over Wisconsin and we are all LAUGHING at your stupidity and ignorance. OBAMA WON YOU TROLL! Romney trying to distance himself from Romneycare is gonna be his downfall and he knows it. The Democrats and Obama just have to remind all those independent voters that there would be no Obamacare if it were not for Mitt Romeny.

I just thought it was hilarious that you came back and started posting,as if nothing interesting happened this week when last week you got a 'woody' thinking about what would happen. You see Mikey, you and your party are arrogant. You think you know everything and then this happens.Moral of the story? Never gloat. It's childish,cruel, and makes you look like an idiot.Think what you will. However EVERYONE HERE knows you got your balls handed to you by Obama and John Roberts.You were all set to come here and post away but instead you got a big old surprise. LOL!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You are a troll. A very dumb one. God help your students and God help your poor kids.

(if you really even have kids. I question if you really are even a school teacher. How can anyone this dumb be given the responsibility to teach children? Anything you say I automatically take as a lie.You have no credibility here. You cut and paste and can not think on your own. You run away from tough questions when they are asked and then come back changing the subject. You talk about engaging in debates,but you don;t know the definition of a debate. You change the rules and always win. You quote editorials and OP's as fact. You site sources like World Net Daily,Drudge Report,Newsmax,Newsbusters, and the Washington Times as legitimate news sources to back up your idiotic claims.You often make claims you can not back up and then there is the lying. You LIE constantly to make a point. You have to. Its the only way you can win.You will ignore something like Romneycare and things Romney has done and LIE rather then admitting them or dealing with them. We all know you,like most of Romeny's supporters,hate his guts. You know he is not the candidate you want. You just support him because he is the only one out there to go up against Obama. This says a lot about your character. You will compromise your own values out of spite. Your hate towards Obama and the Democrats is terrifying,but then again you and the Tea Party are nothing more than racists. So Mikey, anything you tell us about yourself is a lie, IMO.

You did not go on vacation with your kids last week. A LIE. You don't have kids. You are not a teacher. What did you do? WHO CARES? No one here does. You are a liar and a troll and the very fact that you waste SO MUCH TIME here desperately trying to convince us of your hateful backwards politics is a joke. Any kid with a father this obsessed and hateful is in trouble.This is the sign of a really $hitty father who needs help.)




'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
Updated On: 6/30/12 at 03:45 PM
mikey2573
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Hmmm, sounds like someone forgot to take their meds.
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"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
mikey2573
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Well, the Obama Campaign has done it again. Here is a campaign ad that thye made which was based almost entirely on an article in the Washington Post about Mitt Romney outsourcing jobs while at Bain Capital.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLyL4N2O_So&feature=player_embedded

THe Washington Post's own fact checker was very critical of the "facts" in that article and thus the ad itself. While the factchecker refused to give the article any "Pinocchios" since he would basically be giving them to his own newspaper, he did have this to say:

"The Obama campaign moved quickly to define what the article said, claiming that this transfer of jobs took place while Romney ran Bain. That’s not what the original article said.
Yet the campaign clearly seized on this report because their interpretation fit with a long-term “outsourcing” attack they have waged against Romney. One of their outsourcing ads before the article ran, in fact, earned Four Pinocchios. These new ads would not fare much better; there is little in the Post article that backs up the Obama campaign’s spin."

You can read the whole analysis here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-new-attacks-on-romney-and-outsourcing/2012/06/29/gJQA5FbbCW_blog.html#pagebreak

Factcheck.org also looked at the new ad. Their summary stated:

"Obama accuses Romney in a series of TV ads of being a “corporate raider” who “shipped jobs to China and Mexico,” asking if voters want to elect an “outsourcer in chief.” But some of the claims in the ads are untrue, and others are thinly supported."

You can read it here:

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

Again, no rhetoric from me, I am just finding the facts behind Obama's lies and posting them here.

Updated On: 7/2/12 at 10:44 AM
mikey2573
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The Obama Campaign does not like it when Factcheck.org calls them out on their lies. They sent Factcheck (and other media organizations) a 6 page letter, explaining how their claim that a Pres. Romney would be an "Out-sourcer in Chief" was actually correct.
Of course, factcheck looked into their claims and had the following to say:

"The Obama campaign complains that we got a key fact wrong in our June 29 article, “Obama’s ‘Outsourcer’ Overreach.” We strongly disagree. We find the Obama campaign’s evidence to be weak or non-existent, and contrary to statements Romney has made on official disclosure forms under pain of federal prosecution.

The Obama complaint claims we erred in saying Mitt Romney gave up active management of Bain Capital in early 1999 to run the 2002 Winter Olympics, insisting we were then wrong in saying Romney was not responsible for shipping U.S. jobs overseas.

In fact, if the Obama campaign were correct, Romney would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.

And after reviewing evidence cited by the Obama campaign, we reaffirm our conclusion that Romney left the helm of Bain Capital when he took a leave of absence in 1999 to run the Salt Lake City Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics – as he has said repeatedly — and never returned to active management. The Obama campaign’s recent ads thus mislead when they point to investments made by Bain, as well as management decisions made by companies in which Bain invested, after that time.

The Obama campaign’s objections are contained in a six-page letter sent to us (and — without notice to us — to other news organizations as well). It cobbles together selective news snippets and irrelevant securities documents in an attempt to show that Romney was still running Bain Capital on a part-time basis while he was also running the Olympics committee.

In a nutshell, the Obama campaign is all wet on this point."

Yup!! You can read it all here:

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/factcheck-to-obama-camp-your-complaint-is-all-wet/

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Fact check;
vIDS 10,11:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mikey2573
wtf?

http://polishdating.co.uk/en/users/mikey2573/
LOL. you're a used car salesman in Britain ? - figures.
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Phyllis Rogers Stone
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The plot thickens!
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At least he plans to stay in Britain.
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Even the haters and nuts at Free Republic don't trust Factcheck.org. Mikey will use Fact check to make a paper thin case but when I use the same Fact Check that goes against his political beliefs, he will dismiss the source he used to make his argument.Mikey changes the rules so he always wins. This is what liars do. Morons who don't know how to debate. So, Dittoheads like Mikey ONLY SITE FACT CHECK.org when it helps their bias argument. All other times, they ignore it.It would be like me using a poll put out by Fox to make an argument and then trash them for their dishonest reporting all other times.So, let me play a rule from Mikey's playbook. I'll link a forum post on how the extreme right wing nuts at Free republic HATE Fact Check.org.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2081824/posts

And now for the other side of the story

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/factcheck-org-nitpicks-president-obama-to-death/

Mikey, use The National Enquirer or Drudge or New York Post of the bias Washington Times. You really suck at whatever it is you think you are doing.LOL! (idiot!)

http://profile.yahoo.com/CXBW2X74DC4QQZJUGKPEL6BHQQ/
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
mikey2573
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In recognition of Independence Day, I will be giving President Obama a vacation from scrutiny. His lies will continue to be exposed here after the holdiday.
Again, no personal attacks or name-calling here, just de facts, ma'am!
Happy 4th everybody!
mikey2573
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So the Washington Post and FactCheck.org have already exposed the lies in Obama's claims regarding Mitt Romney outsourcing jobs while working at Bain Capital. In a nutshell, the Obama campaign's claims are not true.
But let's look at some other outsourcing stats. For example, here is some information regarding General Electric from CNN:

GE moving X-ray business to China. What message is sent to U.S.?
FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Here is more evidence of the suicide mission this country is on: General Electric announced it's moving its 115-year-old X-ray business from Waukesha, Wisconsin to Beijing, China.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/27/ge-moving-x-ray-business-to-china-what-message-is-sent-to-u-s/

Frp, CNBC:
GE has also recently closed more than 20 factories, shifted avionics and radiology businesses to China, and pushed for public policies that will allow them to continue that course.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46398765

And from every Left-wingers favorite news source, Huffinton Post:
Let's look at GE's jobs record. You would have difficulty finding a company that has outsourced more jobs and closed more American factories than GE. While they have slashed their American workforce to fewer than 150,000, GE has dramatically expanded its global presence, now employing over 300,000 workers worldwide. Yes, GE has brought a trickle of jobs back to the U.S. over the past two years, but it still outsources more than it insources.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-paul/should-ges-jeffrey-immelt_b_812132.html

Just a reminder for those who are ill-informed, the CEO of GE is one Jeffrey Immelt, who is also chairman of President Obama's Jobs Council!!

We've already shown you how the President plays with the numbers to make it look like he's created tons of so called "Green Jobs", but here is a refresher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0IQ_vI9WZ0

But what about Obama's Green Jobs initiative, using stimulus money, that actually outsourced jobs to other countries?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YabnLHPYDW4&feature=related

Looks like we may already have an "OUTSOURCER in Chief"!!!






mikey2573
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Uh-oh! It's the first Friday of the month. Another jobs report is due out today. BAD NEWS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!! (He only has 4 of these before election day. Will ANY of them be good news?)

The last three employment snapshots released by the Labor Department have been persistently weak, and marked a distinct slowdown from earlier in the year. In the latest report, the department said employers added a meager 80,000 jobs in June, leaving the unemployment rate unchanged at 8.2 percent. The number of jobs added in June was lower than expected, and rounded out a poor second quarter for 2012.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-june-jobs-report-and-president-obamas-summer-swoons/2012/07/05/gJQAo4rcQW_blog.html

Maybe the President will have a sit down with his "Jobs Czar", Jeffrey Immelt and convinve him to stop shipping GE factories overseas.

LOL!! Yeah, RIGHT!

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President Obama's War on Women??

780,000 More Women Unemployed Today Than When Obama Took Office
CNSNews.com) ¯ The number of women unemployed in June was 5,785,000, an increase of 780,000 from when Barack Obama was inaugurated in January 2009 ¯ at that time, the number of unemployed women in the United States was 5,005,000.

The number of unemployed is for women ages 16 and older in the civilian work force and is seasonally adjusted, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

The BLS data also show that the unemployment rate for women in June was 8.0 percent, up from 7.9 percent in May. That¯s also up from 7.0 percent in January 2009 when Obama became president.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/780000-more-women-unemployed-today-when-obama-took-office
mikey2573
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The liberal leaning Washington Post continues to call out President Obama's campaign for using faulty "facts" in an effort to attack Mitt Romney. This morning. Obama may have actually improved! Instead of the usual FOUR Pinocchios that Obama's lies have earned, this morning the Washington Post gave a tweet from Obama's Twitter page only THREE Pinocchios!!
The claim is that Mitt Romney pays a lower income tax than "many" Americans. The word "many" is important here as the campaign responded to the Post by actually DEFINING the word "many" for the Post's writer.
The TWEET:
“FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”
— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012

The Washington Post gives that Tweet 3 Pinocchios.
"The Obama campaign’s tweet relies on a very slippery “fact.”
Romney, by receiving much of his income in capital gains and dividends and giving millions of dollars to charity, is certainly able to keep his effective tax rate relatively low, especially compared to a wealthy person who earns much of his or her income in salary. But, even so, Romney still pays an effective tax rate that is higher than the tax rate paid by most Americans."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-misleading-tweet-on-romneys-taxes/2012/07/06/gJQAN3DTSW_blog.html?hpid=z3

Again, no name-calling, no personal attacks from me. Just posting the facts!

 
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