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THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER

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Glittergrrl
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THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER#75
Posted: 8/11/17 at 12:07am

I was at opening night! I thought he was great. Some very moving stories. The guest was Gloria Steinem. 

mgiltz
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THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER#77
Posted: 8/11/17 at 1:49am

**sigh** 

You said, "yes, we know this" as if everyone knew about this controversy so of course you wouldn't suggest differently.

But in fact you wrote, "Except for one thing- he said that Reagan "laid a wreath on the grave of a Nazi soldier". That struck me funny. I thought "how did something like that ever happen and I don't remember it?""

You also "corrected" me by saying that Reagan had laid the wreath at a memorial rather than a particular grave. But of course I made that very same point myself.

It would be fine not to be aware of the event. Surely many people on this board weren't alive when it happened. However, you can't claim to never have heard of it and then insist of course you heard of it in the same breath. You can't correct someone's facts by repeating the very same fact as if they got it wrong and you got it right.

It's famous enough to have its own Wikipedia page. You said you were so struck by the anecdote and thought, "How did something like that ever happen and I don't remember it?" And then wanted to muddy the waters and suggest Moore was making something up out of whole cloth, rather than getting an unimportant detail wrong. (He laid the wreath at a memorial, not a particular SS soldier's grave.) It was an infamous scandal and Moore's recounting of it as an embarrassment is perfectly on target. Besides, he was there at the time to protest, so kudos to him. The US gov't was ashamed and knew the whole thing never should have happened and are quoted saying so but no one wanted to make it worse by then pulling out. People on the right who dislike Moore's politics love to suggest he plays fast and loose with the facts, as you did here. You say, gee, what else has he exaggerated? Well, given the facts of this one anecdote as related on Wikipedia, nothing of note. Any reasonable person who wondered about that story would read the Wikipedia article (which even confirms Moore was there) and feel he was honest and fair. Maybe the fact that he was actually there led him to think he didn't need to double check the minor detail he got wrong. The world was outraged -- and the world knew Reagan was honoring the Nazi dead and laying a wreath at a memorial. By and large, Moore's story is on target, certainly far more than you were in your disingenuous post. Oh and I'm a registered Republican and voted for Reagan (and Bush in 198THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER. Facts still matter, though the clock is ticking on that....

Updated On: 8/11/17 at 01:49 AM
Callum_brown1
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THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER#78
Posted: 8/11/17 at 5:36am

I agree with every word of the Hollywood Reporter review: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/michael-moore-terms-of-my-surrender-1028191


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