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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#25
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:09pm

I don't think I saw anyone predict that it would remain a big hit without a name, that was obvious whenever Groban called out and the sales went down. People were very pleasantly surprised it was making it to $900k the last two weeks and that's WITH Ingrid.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#26
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:10pm

This is a remarkably forthright statement from Malloy. Still, I imagine many of the people who've already constructed their own narrative around this won't be swayed by any amount of empirical evidence, and will continue to look at this as whitewashing.

"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#27
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:11pm

LesWickedly said: "People keep insisting a big name is coming in. Why aren't they announcing it if it could help advanced sales? Only reason I can think of is for people to go see Mandy and then go back, but that seems unlikely for most. Out of towners might see the name and plan a trip or include it on their trip and buy tickets. That's the only thing keeping me from going back. I want to see it again, but would like to know the Pierre."

Mandy was the big name coming in. They're going to (edit: have) to pull another rabbit out of the hat to make it past Labor Day.

Updated On: 7/28/17 at 04:11 PM

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#28
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:13pm

Apology from Howard Kagan

https://twitter.com/GreatCometBway/status/891026187451068416

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#29
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:16pm

Issuing these straightforward apologies is the right thing to do.

I still fear it's too little, too late.

But I hope for the best for this very special show.

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#30
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:17pm

Glad I acted rashly and got tickets to one of the Patinkin shows. Have tickets for December and now looks like it may not be around. I love this show, and have a ton of respect for Malloy. Didn't realize things were so dire, but I'm shocked people actually thought this was about race

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#31
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:19pm

This is just so sad. Even sadder when you realize if they had won some more awards, that they rightfully deserve, the situation would be so much different. Makes me laugh the most innovative, diverse, and creative Broadway show of the year lost to a show that's the exact opposite.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#32
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:20pm

This whole thing has been blow ridiculously out of proportion. It's really quite simple: Oak won't sell nearly as many tickets as Mandy will. They made a business decision.

My name is neither "adam" nor "greer."

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#33
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:21pm

PaulWom said: "Apology from Howard Kagan

https://twitter.com/GreatCometBway/status/891026187451068416"

"We had the wrong impression of how Oak felt about the casting announcement"

Really? Anyone else feel that was a very poor way to word that? So, you didn't know how your lead actor would feel about being replaced? They make it sound like he found out via the casting announcement.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#34
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:23pm

So do they have any sort of a plan after Patinkin's short run is over? Try to talk Groban back for a limited run? Look for another big name for a short run? Call Lin and throw cash at him? /s

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#35
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:28pm

Mandy just dropped out: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/theater/mandy-patinkin-oak-onaodowan-great-comet.html?smid=tw-share

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#36
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:33pm

haterobics said: "Ack. My Anatole seat for January 7 seems very optimistic now."

I have it for Aug 13, and I sincerely hope I'm not the last one to sit in it.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#37
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:38pm

trpguyy said: "LesWickedly said: "People keep insisting a big name is coming in. Why aren't they announcing it if it could help advanced sales? Only reason I can think of is for people to go see Mandy and then go back, but that seems unlikely for most. Out of towners might see the name and plan a trip or include it on their trip and buy tickets. That's the only thing keeping me from going back. I want to see it again, but would like to know the Pierre."

Mandy was the big name coming in. They're going to pull another rabbit out of the hat to make it past Labor Day."

Curious to know if that rabbit has already been found or they're still digging around for it. Or if none of that matters now that Mandy is leaving.

Also, can't wait to hear any details re: Mandy leaving, since you have legit info. (That's not sarcasm, I mean it.)

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#38
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:41pm

Kad said: "It'd be viciously ironic if Mandy withdrew due to the controversy and the production shuttered quickly, putting an entire diverse ensemble out of work.

"

Mandy left, so... if the production announces closing today... can you maybe predict the powerball numbers?!!! Lol

This is actually pretty sad. Damn you twitter.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#39
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:45pm

LxGstv said: "Kad said: "It'd be viciously ironic if Mandy withdrew due to the controversy and the production shuttered quickly, putting an entire diverse ensemble out of work.

"

Mandy left, so... if the production announces closing today... can you maybe predict the powerball numbers?!!! Lol

This is actually pretty sad. Damn you twitter.

"

Yikes...this witchcraft premonition is just scary.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#40
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:46pm

adamgreer said: "This whole thing has been blow ridiculously out of proportion. It's really quite simple: Oak won't sell nearly as many tickets as Mandy will. They made a business decision.

"

Sure. I get that. But the producers should have done a better job at communicating things. I understand they had to make some tough choices that impacted some of their people, but they've handled it so clumsily in Oak's case and were so tone deaf and uncoordinated. Dave's recent Tweets though heartfelt, exposed them even more and it's clear now that they were doing firing and hiring for sometime now. Ingrid's announcement replacement was done seamlessly without controversy, no one would have thought that Brittain was phased out. The public will always side with a personal angle than a show's financials.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#41
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:50pm

Sorry, my post should have read "they're going to *have to* pull another rabbit out of the hat..."

it's not looking good...

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#42
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:54pm

Oof. I did not want my bitchy what-if to be Secreted into the universe.

"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#43
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:55pm

Kad said: "Oof. I did not want my bitchy what-if to be Secreted into the universe."

Yup, definitely your fault wink

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#44
Posted: 7/28/17 at 4:57pm

Kad, it's because of you there's a giant in our midst and my wife is dead.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#45
Posted: 7/28/17 at 5:10pm

SonofRobbieJ said: "Kad, it's because of you there's a giant in our midst and my wife is dead."

Literal LOL

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#46
Posted: 7/28/17 at 5:17pm

Eliza2 said: "haterobics said: "Ack. My Anatole seat for January 7 seems very optimistic now."

I have it for Aug 13, and I sincerely hope I'm not the last one to sit in it."

I think you will be.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#47
Posted: 7/28/17 at 6:25pm

I feel terrible for sweet Dave. He seems like the idealistic artist type and it's a ****ty reality that business and politics control everything, even in the arts world.

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#48
Posted: 7/28/17 at 6:28pm

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#49
Posted: 7/28/17 at 8:27pm

10086Sundays said: "froote said: "Terribly sad, Broadway can be a cruel business. What a shame that the Tonys didn't share the love with other deserving shows instead of just ones that were already big hits. Absolute respect to Dave."

This. I met him and he seemed like a such a genuine, great guy. I feel for everyone who could soon be out of a job.

It's really unfortunate that come Labor Day we could lose 3 shows at once. (GHD, Bandstand, GC)

And not War Paint? Is there bias there or do you really think it is going to survive the mid-August business drop?

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Dave Malloy commets on Oak's Leave#50
Posted: 7/28/17 at 8:31pm

VotePeron said: "This is just so sad. Even sadder when you realize if they had won some more awards, that they rightfully deserve, the situation would be so much different. Makes me laugh the most innovative, diverse, and creative Broadway show of the year lost to a show that's the exact opposite.

I actually do think it should have won for its direction (of course I don't think it should have won for the lighting, which gave me a headache). But there was nothing else that it was ever in serious contention for.

I am very impressed with Dave Malloy...he already knew HE wasn't going to sell tickets; i wonder if he actually thought Oak would or just stayed out of the selection process when the chose Oak. If the gimmick of the composer appearing can't sell tickets, why would an unknown?