The Trump Cabal

[Call_me_jorge]

To say Obama is an anti-Semite is pretty unnecessary. He hasn't harassed Jews personally has he? No. He's just against a single state solution. Which I think any sane person would agree with. The people of Palestine have been through enough torture and in humanity. If we are going to get anywhere near peace and prosperity in the Middle East, Israel needs to give up Palestine. 

[Petralicious]

I challenge you to find where i ever said he anti semite. I do not believe he is. I believe he has a good heart.  He is just anti Israel  and pro Palestine. Big difference 

[Call_me_jorge]

Petralicious said: "I challenge you to find where i ever said he anti semite. I do not believe he is. I believe he has a good heart.  He is just anti Israel  and pro Palestine. Big difference 

 

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Sorry it seems I'm replying to you, rather I'm commenting on the article you provided.

[kdogg36]

Before committing to a two-state solution, I think we need to know what kind of state we'd get. Would the new Palestinian state be a liberal democracy where the rights of everyone - including women and LGBT people - are protected equally?

I'm not going to lie - I strongly suspect that a gay Palestinian is better off as a second-class Israeli citizen than he would be as a citizen of a new Palestinian state.

[PalJoey]

 

My solution is a three-state solution: Israel, Palestine, and Gaza. In conjunction with secure borders and a permanent cessation of all terrorism, the world unites to strengthen the economic opportunities in all three states: Israel with its tech proficiency, Palestine becomes a preeminent tourist destination for ALL the world's religions, and Gaza becomes a Mediterranean seaside vacation paradise to rival the French Riviera and the Arabian Gulf states.

By changing the economies from war economies to year-round tourism economies, the peoples of Israel, Palestine and Gaza would experience an unprecedented economic growth and the stability that comes with peace.

Future generations would call this new Golden Age "The Pax PalJoeyiana."

 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Obama's betrayal of Israel is shameful, abhorrent, and disgusting. This disgrace in the UN makes me all the more excited for January 20, 2017.

[Call_me_jorge]

kdogg36 said: "Before committing to a two-state solution, I think we need to know what kind of state we'd get. Would the new Palestinian state be a liberal democracy where the rights of everyone - including women and LGBT people - are protected equally?

I'm not going to lie - I strongly suspect that a gay Palestinian is better off as a second-class Israeli citizen than he would be as a citizen of a new Palestinian state.

 

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I guess that's something the people of Palestine should vote on. 

[adamgreer]

BroadwayConcierge said: "Obama's betrayal of Israel is shameful, abhorrent, and disgusting. This disgrace in the UN makes me all the more excited for January 20, 2017.

 

The fact that you're excited for January 20, 2017, when the homophobic, xenophobic, warmonger, takes  over makes you a shameful, abhorrent, disgusting, individual. But I expect nothing less than stupidity from you.

 

[songanddanceman2]

Surely Broadway Concierge is Petra? You can't read one without the other popping up agreeing.

[kdogg36]

Call_me_jorge said: "I guess that's something the people of Palestine should vote on."

No, I can't agree that the people of Palestine should vote on whether certain of its citizens are denied basic human rights. That needs to be guaranteed from the get-go as a condition for international support for a new state. (I'm not talking marriage equality here in terms of LGBT rights, just the right to full political participation and freedom from persecution.)

 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Oh, boo-hoo, adamgreer. Want to cry me a river while you're at it, too, you broken record? I am relentlessly and unabashedly unafraid to admit my excitement for a monumentally more outrightly pro-Israel President than the foreign relations disaster that has been Barack Obama. Your pandering and condescension only emboldens my enthusiasm. So keep it coming, dude.

And, no, songanddanceman2, I am not Petralicious, but you may want to expand your horizons and explore the world some more if two people who politically lean conservative in one place is too much for you to handle.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Right- Donald Trump, who hasn't even been sworn in as President, has literally called for us to have a nuclear arms race, but Barack Obama is the foreign policy disaster because he didn't follow Israel's bidding to the letter. 

[adamgreer]

wonderfulwizard11 said: "Right- Donald Trump, who hasn't even been sworn in as President, has literally called for us to have a nuclear arms race, but Barack Obama is the foreign policy disaster because he didn't follow Israel's bidding to the letter. 

 

Why stop there? The "President elect" also ignited an international incident on twitter with his new China policy (who are already laughing at us), and he's been cozying up to Putin (who interfered in the election- something Concierge refuses to admit) from the getgo. And this is all before he's even been sworn in!

 

[BroadwayConcierge]

You deeply misunderstand nuclear deterrence theory if you think Trump's "arms race" comment is in poor choice. Good nuclear strategy requires the awareness of your adversaries' capabilities. In the decades since the Cold War, the looming threats against our nation have surmounted—that's a fact. We very much need a robust nuclear force, one that is superior to all others, not in order to fight a nuclear war but to be able to deter such a war and protect the allies that live under our nuclear umbrella. We should be grateful to have a President-elect who is up to the task of defending us against real, looming, existential threats.

So yes, wonderfulwizard11, I maintain that Obama's neglect of Israel is far more stupid, disastrous, and disgusting than Trump's nuclear comment, which was quite on the mark.

[BroadwayConcierge]

Also, the quotation marks around President-elect in your last post are cute, adamgreer. Keep pretending like you don't live in a world where real things happen and where legitimate power is indeed transferred to those who emerge victorious in elections. Hope your safe space is nice and cozy.

[wonderfulwizard11]

And yet, US policy in regards to nuclear weapons has been that of non-proliferation. While there are of course threats in the world, you understand that the US (and Russia) vastly overpower the rest of the world in regards to nuclear weapons, yes? It's barely a contest, so I fail to see how challenging other countries to an arms race is a way to keep us somehow safer. Simply put, we have more than enough of them. And you can be happy about Donald Trump all you want, but this thin-skinned, deeply ignorant and hideously impulsive man having his finger on the button chills me to my core. That has nothing to do with his politics- I would not have felt the same way about any of his primary opponents, even though they all were awful in their own ways. But they at least seemed to have some regard for protocol and diplomacy and didn't talk about our nuclear arsenal as if it were a damn game. No one can seriously tell me, based off of literally any of his behavior during the campaign or since he's been elected, that Donald Trump possesses any of those skills. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Yes, non-proliferation sounds great, and it looked to be quite a good step in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War—which was, however, now over 25 years ago. The threats have changed. North Korea ain't stopping anytime soon. Conflict in the South China Sea poses increasing danger. Russia in eastern Europe and the Middle East, obviously. We're not just entering an era of nuclear danger equal to and/or greater than what we experienced during the Cold War—we're already here. And somehow, President Obama's idiotic logic has been to keep backtracking and ignore the modernization needs of our nuclear triad. It's simply unsustainable. Global Zero is a pipe dream. I know I'll at least feel safer under a President who's willing to face reality and deal with threats (both on our behalf and on behalf of our allies), as opposed to one who's content with theory, ideology, and accepting inferiority. It's our enemies who have already made moves—not Trump.

[Mister Matt]

Keep pretending like you don't live in a world where real things happen and where legitimate power is indeed transferred to those who emerge victorious in elections. Hope your safe space is nice and cozy.

For someone who rails against alleged condescension, you sure deploy it authentically, easily and often.  At least we know you wear your parties values with enthusiasm and pride: homophobia, xenophobia and white supremacy.  I do think it's cute that you believe Captain Creamsicle knows a thing about the UN, Israel or Palestine.  Or foreign policy, for that matter.  Well, except what Russia wants.  He's totally on top of that.  Keep it up!  Keep it up!  Keep it up!

[BroadwayConcierge]

Really? Telling somebody to live in the real world is condescending—but calling somebody a child for holding the political views they do isn't? Calling out somebody who's questioning the legitimacy of a peaceful power transition is condescending—but speaking down to me as homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and white supremacist when I haven't said or written a single world in support of any of those beliefs isn't? Cut the crap, Mister Holier-Than-Thou.

[A Director]

Broadway Concierge - You are a pisher and a shmendrik.  There are people who poster here who were alive during the height of the Cold War; you've only read about it in books which, no doubt, were written with a conservative point of view.  I don't give a rat's ass that your political views are different from mine.  On the other hand, you haven't earned the right to lecture those of us who remember the Cold War first hand.

Based on your postings on this Message Board, I have the impression you are repeating what you've read, if you read, and what you hear on Conservative Radio and TV.

As for your hero who will darken the door of the White House come Jan. 20th, for most of his life, he has focused on himself.  He gives no indication he is curious about or interest in anything not directly influencing his life. Come January 20th, I don't expect he will change. He's all surface. What you see is what you get!

[Petralicious]

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[Petralicious]

Petralicious said: "kdogg36 said: "Before committing to a two-state solution, I think we need to know what kind of state we'd get. Would the new Palestinian state be a liberal democracy where the rights of everyone - including women and LGBT people - are protected equally?

I'm not going to lie - I strongly suspect that a gay Palestinian is better off as a second-class Israeli citizen than he would be as a citizen of a new Palestinian state.

 

"Amen. I do not understand why Democrats who are so strong on LGBT issues at home ignore them in Middle East and are against the only Democratic country in region. Israel is claiming evidence of collusion between White House and Palestinians and Muslim States 

 

 

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[adamgreer]

BroadwayConcierge said: "Really? Telling somebody to live in the real world is condescending—but calling somebody a child for holding the political views they do isn't? Calling out somebody who's questioning the legitimacy of a peaceful power transition is condescending—but speaking down to me as homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and white supremacist when I haven't said or written a single world in support of any of those beliefs isn't? Cut the crap, Mister Holier-Than-Thou.

 

No, no, no, no.  You don't get to support the man who is all of the things you mentioned and then claim those aren't your views.  You helped create this disaster, you helped bring him to power, and now you get to live with it for the next 4 (long) years.  You don't get to say, "well I'm not x, y, or z."  Whether you are or aren't, by supporting (and I use supporting because I guarantee you aren't old enough to actually vote) this man and all he stands for, you're giving your assent to it and saying it doesn't matter.  This is who you associated yourself with. Just own your homophobia, racism, and xenophobia. 

 

[kdogg36]

BroadwayConcierge said: "I know I'll at least feel safer under a President who's willing to face reality and deal with threats (both on our behalf and on behalf of our allies), as opposed to one who's content with theory, ideology, and accepting inferiority. "

With regard to the two major parties, I'm politically neutral, in that I hate them both. However, I think it is extremely foolish - and I'm trying to be polite here - to think that we are safer with Trump in control of nuclear weapons than with Obama (or Bush or Clinton, for that matter). He is a thin-skinned weakling who overreacts to every little criticism, and that type of person should not be in control of weapons of mass destruction. It's tough for me to wrap my head around anyone thinking otherwise, but apparently millions do. (He also didn't know what the "nuclear triad" was when someone asked him in an interview.)

 

[Mister Matt]

Telling somebody to live in the real world is condescending

Yes.  Because you are asserting that your view of the world is the only legitimate and superior one and that they should conform to your view.

but calling somebody a child for holding the political views they do isn't?

Well, that's the point where you actually highlight your own hypocrisy.  Do as you say, not as you do.  Keep it up!  Cut the crap, Mister Holier-Than-Thou!

Calling out somebody who's questioning the legitimacy of a peaceful power transition is condescending—but speaking down to me as homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and white supremacist when I haven't said or written a single world in support of any of those beliefs isn't?

Well, that certainly is an interesting take on what I said.  For someone who rails against alleged condescension, you sure deploy it authentically, easily and often.  But I'm not going to try and stop you from enjoying your peaceful power transition so you can enthusiastically embrace your champion of homophobes, misogynists, xenophobes and white supremacists.  Your party.  Your champion.  Your source of pride.  I've absolutely no doubt you are proud of the man, his political knowledge, competence and experience, his honorable actions and behavior, his maturity and respect of others, his commitment to his party and his supporters, the enthusiasm and pride he inspires among the alt-right and conservative and Christian extremists, and most importantly, what he represents: a lifetime of branding, marketing and serving the elite; most notably wealthy, white, heterosexual men.  I'm really happy that you get everything you want so you can enthusiastically embrace it all in this peaceful transition of power.  So peaceful, it's positively tranquil.  It sounds like you're getting everything you deserve.  Keep it up!

[Petralicious]

Ok enough with the personal attacks. Back to Bizniz.

It is not only The Right who slams Obama over Israel. Add famous Leftist Alan Dershowitz 

 

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz slammed President Obama for "stabbing Israel in the back" 

"[History will see President Obama] as one of the worst foreign policy presidents ever," Dershowitz said.

"He called me into the Oval Office before the inauguration -- he said he wanted my support, and he told me he would always have Israel's back," Dershowitz said. "I didn't realize what he meant: That he would have Israel's back so he could stab them in the back."

He continued: "What he did was so nasty, he pulled a bait and switch. He told the American public this is all about the settlements deep in the West Bank. And yet, he allowed he representative to the U.N. to abstain --which is really a vote for-- a resolution that says the Jews can't pray at the Western Wall, Jews can't live in the Jewish Quarter [of Jerusalem] where they have lived for thousands of years. And he's going to say, 'Whoops! I didn't mean that!' Well read the resolution! You're a lawyer, you went to Harvard Law School."

He also said: "This will make peace much more difficult to achieve because the Palestinians will now say 'we can get a state through the UN'."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/26/dershowitz_obama_will_go_down_in_history_as_one_of_the_worst_foreign_policy_presidents_ever.html