The UK says goodbye to the EU

[songanddanceman2]

They didn't, I think so many leave supporters thought this was a government thing (conservatives, Labour etc) and a lot just heard 'immigration'. It's such a strange day here in the UK.

[WhizzerMarvin]

At least Trump weighed in:

 

http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/#3Bzlci8Znsqs

[Call_me_jorge]

Did they not see the condradiction about Scotland? 

[Call_me_jorge]

Did they not see the condradiction about Scotland? 

[Liza's Headband]

Do you really not know how to spell the word "contradiction?"

[songanddanceman2]

Liza, go play near a volcano. 

[PalJoey]

 

This is getting out of hand!

 



 

[sabrelady]

songanddanceman2 said: "Liza, go play near a volcano. "

 

Correction: Go Play near an erupting volcano.

 

[gypsy101]

what the hell is a Brexit though?

i love that some of the most-googled terms following the vote were things like "what does it mean to leave the EU?" the fact that people voted if they had no clue what it meant is terrifying to me.

[AEA AGMA SM]

gypsy101 said: "what the hell is a Brexit though?

i love that some of the most-googled terms following the vote were things like "what does it mean to leave the EU?" the fact that people voted if they had no clue what it meant is terrifying to me."

 

I like how the assumption is that Google search spike was from everyone who voted to leave. It could just as easily have been made up of the 48% of the voters who voted to stay and are now checking to see how screwed they truly may be. 

[PalJoey]

 

Anyone else hearing that the referendum was not binding and that it will be overturned by Parliament?

 

[songanddanceman2]

Sorry but I don't care how harsh this sounds but the stay voters seem to have actually done research in their decisions, I see it all over Facebook, well thought out articulated reasons. The leave voters are the oldies who have no idea what's happening and want to take us backwards and the idiots thinking it meant it would stop immigration (not true). The leave voters were lied to in a big way and it's all coming out now. Our country is in a shambles right now.  

[WhizzerMarvin]

What are the biggest ramifications of the vote for UK citizens?

[songanddanceman2]

Financial instability is the main one, it could very easily plunge us in to a recession, the lack of power on a global scale, having to sort out trade deals from scratch, roaming will change, instability in the government, housing prices,  The list is endless 

[sabrelady]

I suspected as much:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

The British political environment got even more interesting- Do MP's vote their party OR as their constituents have shown how they want them to vote?

[PalJoey]

Over 2.7 million have signed so far. 

songanddanceman2--will you make sure everyone on the London board sees this?

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

[dented146]

Another question which should have been considered more prior to the formation of the EU was simply, What should be the limits of political power. Was this meant to be an economic venture or a political one where leadership in Brussels became the equivalent of our federal government. I don't think that is how the population of the various countries thought the EU would be but more and more that is what it has become.

Certainly the older people see that happening and, in spite of the reality of globalization, they like it better the way it was when their own political leaders could control internal policy. The people who control the EU have taken more and more power. That may be necessary economically but it is a double edge sword.

As for Trump. He is a moron, plain and simple. He cares more about his golf courses than the US. The fact that this plays into his hands almost doesn't matter because it is clear from his comments in Scotland that he is too stupid to take advantage of it. If he had half a brain he could currently be hammering Hillary on any number of issues instead he talks about golf courses and attacks a courageous judge.

[madbrian]

Interestingly, Brexit proponent Nigel Farage, possibly anticipating a close loss, had stated that a 52/48 loss should not be definitive, and he would push for a 2nd referendum.

[theaterdrew]

Was this meant to be an economic venture or a political one

You can't separate them, as this article demonstrates about how women are likely to be hit disproportionately by a Brexit.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/06/24/without_eu_employment_protections_u_k_women_may_suffer_after_brexit.html?wpisrc=burger_bar

[PalJoey]

And then there's this:

 

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-desperately-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

 

 

[sabrelady]

More analysis:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/06/26/brexit-leaves-britain-virtually-leaderless-as-political-turmoil-intensifies.html

Of course while this dance is going on, the actual business of running a country gets pushed to the side.

[Call_me_jorge]

I know the royal family aren't the head of government, but have any of them commented on the vote?

[sabrelady]

NO. and they won't/can't. The Constitutional Monarchy is enjoined from commenting directly on politics.

Yes I know Wills made a speech that could  be construed as political statement but he has denied that it was specifically about Brexit.

[javero]

Question: Post referendum, has there been any talk of Britain relinquishing her 14 overseas colonies including Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands(aka Malvinas)?

Non-Self-Governing Territories

Someone outside this forum reminded me of how the the world map looked right after the end of WW2. 

Colonization in 1945

I don't mean to make light of the dire situation.  It's just that somehow sovereignty in the context of British colonies seems to get lost in the larger discussion of European sovereignty against the backdrop of EU.

Also, WaPo presented a disturbing profile today of the European versions of The Donald.

Meet the European leaders hoping to cause the next Brexit

[MichelleCraig]

How lovely! There is a pretty petition now aimed at all the Brits who had no idea what they were voting on when they chose to leave... Do you think we'll be so lucky if Trump wins? Will the morons get the chance to rethink (Can they think?) after reality sets in?

"You see we pitter, Twitter, and resolve...not one damn thing do we solve..."

[sabrelady]

The Bermudan independence referendum of 1995 was a referendum held in Bermuda on 16 August 1995 over whether Bermuda should become an independent sovereign state or remain a British Dependent Territory. On a voter turnout of 58.8%, 73.6% voted against independence, and 25.7% voted in favour. Following the decisive referendum result, Sir John Swan, in favour of independence, resigned as Premier of Bermuda.

The Cayman Islands have been connected to the United Kingdom since the signing of the Treaty of Madrid in 1670. From that time until 1962, Cayman was linked to Jamaica as a dependency. In 1962, Jamaica chose to become independent, but the Cayman Islands decided to remain a British colony. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office recently discontinued the use of the term "Dependent Territory" and the Islands are now called an "Overseas Territory." The Foreign and Commonwealth Office appoints a Governor, whose responsibilities cover a number of areas including: National Security, Foreign Affairs, Police, Immigration, the Passport Office, the Postal Services and other portfolios such as Broadcasting, District Administration and Civil Service.

Interestingly, there is very little desire amongst Caymanians for the Islands to go independent. Caymanians do not have to look far to see what happened to other Caribbean nations which went independent. Before independence in 1962, Jamaica was the most influential country in the Caribbean and an economic powerhouse. Now poverty, unemployment, high inflation, political corruption and a garrison style political structure are considered problems, despite recent efforts to confront the issues. Another example for Caymanians is the independence of the Bahamas in 1973, which is commonly acknowledged as the catalyst which kick-started Cayman's banking industry and spurred an economic boom.

Some simply are satisfied w the status quo- it IS their choice.