Sooo..no threads re Obama/bombing/dropping Aid to Iran, etc, eh?

[PalJoey]

I said SHUT UP ABOUT THE GOLF!

This thread is about women whose vaginas are being ripped open in front of their husbands and sons, all for the sake of what these ISIS monsters call Allah and Islam. They have as much connection to genuine Islam as Hams dioes: It's all bogus, perverse, death-glorifying and immoral.

If you can't shut about the golf for one goddamn thread, Jesus will descend from his golf game in heaven and puke all over your shoes.

[dented146]

One of the things that frightens me most about ISIS is what it is doing to my feelings about people.

I am a Jew and old enough to know some in the generation before mine who died in and survived the death camps. The idea that anyone should wish to wipe any group off the face of the earth runs counter to everything I have always believed.

Yet when I see those photos and read the stories, it makes me feel that ISIS should be exterminated to the last man. And that scares me.

[PalJoey]

According to Reuters, the women and children they don't take as slaves are sometimes buried alive.



REUTER'S: Islamic State Killed 500 Yazidis, Buried Some Victims Alive

[HorseTears]

Hopefully this isn't inappropriate to bring up, but this tragedy unfolding in Iraq is a potent reminder to me that there is so much more going on in the world than the mainstream narrative of "Islam" v. "Judaism" and "Christianity" and East vs West. Although I'm not really a practicing Zoroastrian, I am Parsi - an even smaller minority that once faced persecution from radical Islamists. Until this story broke a few months ago I had never even heard of the Yazdi people. So much more to be aware of, so much more to learn.

Namo (or anyone else who cares to respond), I swear I'm not picking on you, but I am curious if you've had time to read PJ's posts and if you're still opposed to any humanitarian mission in Iraq? Do you see an alternative to the short-term crisis other than air-drops and limited bombing campaigns? Or perhaps I misread your original post and you're actually not opposed to our involvement?

[Liza's Headband]

You did not misread their posts. They are of the sick and twisted mindset that every single action taken by America in the Middle East is a smokescreen for something much more corrupt and insidious. That every airstrike, humanitarian mission, and the like, is part of some grand scheme for oil, for nationalist propaganda, and so on.

It's not about 40,000+ innocent and stranded humans fatally suffering from dehydration and malnutrition, and it's definitely not about brutal islamic jihadists beheading children, raping women, and bombing schools. No. It's about America stomping around the Middle East, pounding its chest for fun...for money...for control. And yes, apparently the mainstream media is complicit in helping the government accomplish this.

Bullsh*t. Reminds of the 9/11 "truthers." Wouldn't surprise me if FN and JoeKv are.

[PalJoey]

I believe it's against board rules to accuse other posters of being 9/11 Truthers.

[FindingNamo]

My post was about the language and tone of the jingoistic CNN coverage. Period. That is all. Do not allow LH/MM to interpret me or anybody else. How long did he humiliate himself going after some other guy and making vague threats about doing harm to that guy's job? He's bad at reading comprehension.

His antagonistic history towards me shows that no matter how many times he's told the truth by numerous sources, he will insist that everyone else is wrong and that only he is correct. People like him are always projecting, therefore it's me and JoeKv who are "truthers" when LH behaves like one.

[PalJoey]

Kinda like LH is being a "Finding Namo Truther."

[FindingNamo]

He will NOT be talked out of the falsehoods he holds dear.

[JoeKv99]

I am completely bewildered how my comments here in this thread, on this board or ever in my life would lead anyone to conclude I am a 9/11 "truther."

[FindingNamo]

LH uses slippery eel-like language. It wouldn't surprise him if we were truthers. He didn't come right out and say we were. It's the same borderline technique he used when he vaguely threatened to cause trouble for me by getting in touch with some other poor schmuck's employer.

[JoeKv99]

Life' too short for that kind of bullsh!t.

[HorseTears]

Uh. Liza? Seriously? Jesus H. Lay off for a little while. Please.


Namo - thanks for your response. And, yes, I agree with you in that respect. The cable news sabre rattling is disturbing and, yes, reminiscent of general media coverage in the lead up to the original Iraq war of the Bush admin.

So God damned Nouri al-Maliki is refusing to go quietly into the night and appears to possibly be preparing a military coup despite the Iraqi prez nominating Haider al-Abadi to be the country's new Prime Minister. God, this could get even uglier. Obama's about to speak about this at 4:45 est.

[javero]

"I looked at a few of those horrendous photos before I started to feel nauseous. How can someone be born as a human being and be able to do the things they are doing?"

Not being intentionally frivolous, but I suspect it has a lil' something to do with testosterone and religious zealotry. Thank the stars above for women!

Men bully each other at every turn and unsupervised boys become feral. I'm aware that not everyone is comfortable with reducing others to their respective genders but men today in various settings are struggling to find their footings in the present world order, I suggest.

Obama's biggest burden is that he must be seen by GOP simpletons and bad guys the world over as a tough-as-nails whoop-ass-and-take-names right-of-center leader of the free and unfree world alike.

My biggest fear is that a future POTOS of the USA will become the world's most notorious human rights abuser in the name of intervention for humanitarian reasons. I love this great nation which has given me so much but is there a fuggin' limit to our hegemony in the affairs of others on this planet? We can't seem to curb the slaughter of innocents on inner-city streets due to the pervasiveness of handguns and assault rifles sometimes possessed by teens and tweens.

Perhaps this is neither the time nor forum to over-think things when tangible action is called for but if as a nation we lack the political will, fiscal wherewithal, and government-business acumen to roll out some semblance of a single-payer healthcare system, rollback portions of the 2nd amendment in part or whole, normalize marriage equality nationwide, either give undocumented workers a path to citizenship (or round-up/repatriate) and break up the 2-party political stranglehold on public thought (and corporate funding of elections), is anyone really convinced that we'll be effective at containing yet another conflict abroad that might require a show of force?

It just seems that foreign affairs sometimes become a convenient distraction from pressing domestic concerns.

Sorry for the run-on sentence

[dented146]

You're run on sentence makes a good point. I personally wonder why the entire world is not lining up to deal with ISIS. I also wonder why the countries surrounding Iraq don't step forward.

[HorseTears]

jav - what better place to have that discussion? Hopefully, unlike in some other threads (ahem), we can have a civil discussion and even disagree with each other without attempting to drown out the discourse.

While I understand the frustration of seeing domestic issues like gun violence and health care unresolved while the US gets involved in international affairs, I think it's wrong to suggest that it's an either/or situation. We can't just be isolationists. I also don't buy the argument that when there is a will and capability to intervene in a humanitarian crisis (not to mention, a direct appeal from the Kurds themselves), we shouldn't do so because there have been crises in the past in which we have not intervened, and doing so would be hypocritical. I know you didn't say that last one, but it does get bandied about a lot in these types of discussions. BTW, it should be noted that the UK and France are currently assisting the US in Kurdistan, though our troops are doing most of the work.