Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 19:37:25
Anyone see Jeopardy tonight? The Final Jeopardy category was "Billboard top 100 albums."
The clue said something like "This album, from a movie based on a PLAY, spent a record number of weeks at number 1 in 1962 and 1963." I am paraphrasing all this, but I clearly read and heard the word PLAY.
The answer was "West Side Story."
Do the meticulous writers of Jeopardy really not know the difference between a play and a musical? Did anyone else see this?
Posted by ljay889 2012-11-27 19:39:01
Did any of the contestants get it?
Posted by supportivemom 2012-11-27 19:41:30
I hate when people call musicals a play! It's a pet peeve of mine!
Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 19:43:03
Yeah when the Final Jeopardy music ended Alex said, "I can think of three possible good guesses."
The first woman answered "Sound of Music."
Alex said, "That's one of the good guesses, but wrong."
The second guy said "West Side Story" and Alex said it was right.
I do not remember the third person's answer, as I was in shock.
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:01:00
I mean, I hate to be THAT guy, but technically it is a play. The definition of a musical is " a play or motion picture in which the story line is interspersed with or developed by songs, dances, and the like." The use of the word play here is NOT to distinguish a stage play from a stage musical, but RATHER to distinguish between a stage musical and a movie musical. The term play is being used to denote that it was based on a stage piece, hence "play".
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:03:25
And just to clarify, I don't like when people refer to stage musicals as "plays" either, but that wasn't the intention here. If in fact the wording was, as you say, "This album, from a movie based on a PLAY..." there is no problem. You can't say "the album from a movie based on a MUSICAL" because the movie isn't BASED on a musical. It IS a musical.
Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 20:06:32
I agree with you a bit. But it seems a little misleading. I was thinking, "Geez a movie from the 1960s based on a play... what the hell could it be?" I didn't even consider any musicals because I really took it as meaning PLAY.
PS--Haven't I seen in certain opening credit sequences in movie musicals something like "Based on the musical with music by X and lyrics by Y?"
Posted by dramamama611 2012-11-27 20:11:51
1. I'm jumping on BJH's comment: it IS the musical, it wasn't based on the musical.
2. Melodramas are PLAYS, Dramas are plays, Comedies are PLAYS, Musicals ARE plays.
3. Could it be the PLAY (for you purists) the writers were referring to was actually R&J?
Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-11-27 20:11:53
A few weeks ago, the final Jeopardy question was "what is the longest running American Broadway musical of all time?" Only one contestant guessed the right answer, I believe (CHICAGO). The other guesses were RENT and LES MIZ.
Posted by flossie2 2012-11-27 20:27:57
I assume it was meant that West Side Story, both the movie and musical, were based on the play Romeo and Juliet. Anyway....WSS was the answer I came up with.
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:32:04
The other guesses were RENT and LES MIZ.
This makes me oh so sad.
Posted by DottieD'Luscia 2012-11-27 20:32:15
The 3rd contestant also came up with The Sound of Music. That was my first guess, followed by West Side Story. Alex said a 3rd good choice would have been The King and I. I don't believe that movie opened in the 60s. I too was kind of thrown when the question read "play" as opposed to "musical".
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 20:35:38
I saw it and knew the answer. I also don't go apoloectic when I hear a musical play referred to as a play.
I mean, if you really want to pedanticly nitpick, I would nitpick why Alex thought "Sound of Music" would be a good answer, since the movie version of that didn't even exist in 1963.
I don't understand that question from the one WickedRocks mentioned. Chicago is the longest running what?
Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-11-27 20:36:59
This was the actual phrasing of the final Jeopardy: "Based on a 1926 play & real-life events, its now the longest-running American musical in Broadway history."
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:37:28
Haven't I seen in certain opening credit sequences in movie musicals something like "Based on the musical with music by X and lyrics by Y?"
I'm not sure. I've definitely seen "A musical with music by X and lyrics by Y." I'm trying to think of an example where I've seen the "based on" as part of the credits. The only time I've ever seen the words "based on" is when the title of the work has been changed.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 20:38:14
Oh, I get it. I guess the category was specifically American musicals?
Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-11-27 20:39:19
Nope, the final Jeopardy category was just "Broadway Musicals."
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 20:39:34
The only time I've ever seen the words "based on" is when the title of the work has been changed.
Really? Then you haven't been paying attention.
Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 20:43:06
The fine print on the back of my Sweeney Todd DVD case says "Based on the musical by Stephen Sondheim and Hugh Wheeler"
But on other movie musicals it is worded differently.
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:44:04
Let me rephrase: The only time I can currently REMEMBER the words being used is when the title has been changed. It's totally possible I've seen it hundreds of times and just can't remember because it's so common I don't even think about it.
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:46:26
It's so funny you said that Phantom. I was just going to say that I feel like the one I remember recently that MAY have done what you said was Sweeney. My other thoughts were Nine and Chicago, only because they were such huge reimaginings of their respective stage shows.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 20:50:15
Yeah, it's really virtually like every movie that's been made of a movie or play. I'm not being snarky, but whether it's written "based on the play/muscial of the same name" or in like Chicago's above, I think it's phrased that way like 99% of the time.
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:53:43
Thanks Phyllis. Do you have any specific examples of "Based on the musical" with nothing else after it? I'm racking my brain, and I can't come up with any other than Sweeney.
Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 20:53:56
Anyway, seems plenty of people figured out the Jeopardy answer.
I just fixated on the word "play." (There are lots of movies based on regular old plays, and they too have music and soundtracks.)
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 20:57:44
That have been on the Billboard Top 100?
Posted by phantom8019 2012-11-27 21:00:01
1962? Who knows? I am not well versed in movies from that time.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 21:03:20
And not to argue with you about everything, but the the Jeopardy question is referring to the stage version of West Side Story when they say based on a play.
And no, almost every film credit based on a movie phrases it (to the best of my recollection) as based on the musical "Chicago" or "Rent" or whatever or "based on the musical of the same name." The Sweeney phrasing seems to be an anomaly. And that could be because the credits go to read "From an adaption by Christopher Bond."
Posted by bjh2114 2012-11-27 21:10:53
Haha, how is that arguing with me? I don't think it was referring to Romeo and Juliet. I said it was referring to the stage version. Good to know about the phrasing.
Also, going back to what Trebek said, how would King and I be a good guess? Wouldn't My Fair Lady and The Music Man be better guesses since they actually came out in in the early 60s? My Fair Lady actually IS based on a straight play too in Pygmalion, so that would have been a way more tempting guess than King and I, I would think.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-27 21:14:23
Oh, right. I was just reading you wrong.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-11-27 23:58:36
At 4:09 of the WSS closing credits--based on the stage play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C36llSobVHc
Posted by newintown 2012-11-28 13:13:31
Although it's pretty pointless to engage in such a silly discussion...
The word "musical" is an adjective that has been demotically used within the last 75 years or so as a noun. What we call a "musical" is more aptly called a "musical play."
Posted by JoeKv99 2012-11-28 13:45:49
The West Side Story soundtrack is a bit of a phenomenon- the biggest selling album of the 1960's (yes) and the record with the longest run at #1 on the Billboard charts.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-11-28 14:06:44
King and I as the third good guess? Oh, Alex. My Fair Lady would have been the third good guess.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-11-28 14:18:25
Was the King and I soundtrack even known to chart well? I'm sure it charted back then--it was a high profile, successful R&H movie musical, but you never hear about people talking about the soundtrack being a best seller. (My Fair Lady's cast album *was* so despite not being a soundtrack--I agree).
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-11-28 14:35:56
Plus...The King and I movie was 56. Sure, My Fair Lady and Sound of Music came out after West Side Story, but they do seem to be of a more similar vintage (as well as enormous popularity) which makes those the three 'good' guesses.
Posted by DottieD'Luscia 2012-11-28 15:40:52
My third guess was Oliver!
Posted by Patash 2012-11-29 13:51:41
I too found the entire question and answers puzzling at best. I too was bothered by referring to West Side Story as "based on a play" since it was clearly a movie they were talking about which was based on the Broadway musical. Romeo and Juliet is a play, sure, but hardly the way you'd refer to what the movie was based on!
And Sound of Music a good response? No way. But even more puzzling was Alex's comment that King and I would have been a good guess -- from the movie? -- number one song in 1961? Huh?
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-29 14:15:49
I think the thing this thread really proves is that most BWW posters should never go on Jeopardy.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-11-29 14:29:36
Well...Sound of Music was an ENORMOUSLY popular musical from vaguely the same time period. I don't think it's a ridiculous guess. I mean...I knew the answer, and the wording didn't confuse me in the least (HOW IS THE WORDING CONFUSING???), but if someone guessed The Sound of Music, I wouldn't throw a shoe at them and call them 'retard.'
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-11-29 14:37:01
Oh, I don't mean about the guesses. I mean the endless fixation on them using the word play instead of musical.
FYI, a long time poster referred to movies based on plays in the Les Miserables thread. I think we should revoke his membership!