Posted by wonkit 2012-03-25 19:49:36
The new season starts tonight with a two hour episode, 9 - 11 EDT. I totally dropped out last season but I will see if tonight's story gets back on track.
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-03-25 19:59:06
Oh thanks for the reminder. Who the hell can remember the plot from 2 yrs. ago??? I luuuuuuuve it, though.
Posted by Jay Lerner-Z 2012-03-25 20:09:00
There was a great discussion about the show on Charlie Rose the other night, with four of the cast (Jon Hamm, January Jones, Christina Hendricks and Vincent Kartheiser), Matthew Weiner and Gayle King.
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-03-25 22:03:07
Zoobi Doobi Doo! (this is why this show is so brilliant!)
Posted by wonkit 2012-03-26 04:51:18
Am I the only one who was not impressed with the writing (again)? Is John Hamm intentionally walking around all glassy eyed like an escapee from the LIVING DEAD? There was one moment when it felt like it might just break out of the soap opera mood and that was when Don's new wife referred to him as "Dick Whitman." The curse of Season Five - everyone seems like a caricature of the person they were in Seasons One and Two. Big disappointment for me.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-03-26 10:24:46
I'm torn. i'm happy it is back, because I love this world and these characters, but then again, I wasn't overly impressed with the return. Megan's craziness at the end could make things interesting if she keeps it up. Everyone else (other than Joan, who just always kicks ass) were just kinda blah.
Favorite scene - Lane and Joan in his office.
Posted by NYadgal 2012-03-26 10:43:34
Zou bisou bisou
Zou bisou bisou, mon Dieu qu'ils sont doux
Posted by NYadgal 2012-03-26 10:46:05
With video of Sophia Loren
Posted by NYadgal 2012-03-26 10:57:11
Posted by wonkit 2012-03-26 11:03:19
Megan cleaning the apartment in her black lace underwear? I guess we know how Matthew Weiner thinks.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-03-26 11:09:38
I liked this episode. It was sexy and fun.
I loved the 'Joan takes Kevin to the office' moment. Made for great dynamics from Peggy, to Pete and Peggy with the baby, and finally to Roger.
Lane and Joan are great together as I think that is the only normal female relationship he is having. What goes on in that man's head is a mystery to me.
Don and Megan seem to have an um... unspoken, unofficial agreement with exactly what their relationship is but they definitely know what gets the others attention when it is just one on one.
I think Don kinda ruined Megan for the kids. The brief scene of Sally seeing Megan laying on the bed made me think that girl is still looking for a mother.
One of my favorite little moments was when Don kissed Gene and Sally but for Bobby #4 they just shook hands. I think that was Bobby #4's first scene with Jon Hamm.
I like that Megan knows. Regurgitating the Dick Whitman revelation at this point in every one of Don's relationships is tiresome. Now if he ever tells Peggy, then I will be upset if it happened off-camera.
Roger seemed on a roll in this episode. I wonder what is the reason for him carrying that much cash. Is it to make sure Jane can never find out that he is giving gifts to Joan's baby?
I am a bit concerned about Pete's mental health. Harry has officially become the show's jackass. Peggy seems married to the job but I am glad she is still with Abe on some level.
Next week seems to go into what Betty and Henry are up to since the last episode. Weiner shot out of order with 11 episodes when January Jones was available due to her pregnancy.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-03-26 11:31:54
I liked that there was a lot of black this episode! It's something that has mostly bubbled under the surface on this show...but it's going to be interesting to see how SCDP become integrated.
And who didn't love the lady boy at the party? Who was he? It was fascinating to see him in the Draper millieu...due, I'm sure, to Megan's French Canadian actressy ways!
Posted by Jay Lerner-Z 2012-03-26 14:26:21
I'm so glad the show is back, even if the first episode was just a little disappointing. Nice to see MJ from Desperate Housewives double-jobbing as Bobby #4.
Posted by blueroses 2012-03-26 15:29:34
I thought the episode was fabulous.
I got a kick out of the "baked bean ballet." I know how those meetings go. Funniest scene was between Roger and Harry.
"So is this every month?"
"Get out of my office."
John Slattery had the best lines of the night. I'm loving the relationship between Joanie and Lane.
Hard to believe that toddlers really sat in the front seat!
Posted by blueroses 2012-03-26 15:57:54
And (although it's totally unrealistic) I'd love to see Sal return somehow.
Posted by Brave Sir Robin2 2012-03-26 17:11:19
The plotlines were really nice and clever dialogue, but I was too distracted by Jon Hamm being so damn beautiful.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-03-29 19:15:52
What was with the close up of the baby balls?!
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-04-03 01:07:51
Who's that new character - the one Peggy hired? (The always stereotypical jewish person). There WAS one great line about it, though; something like "Everybody's got one now...." (lol). I think Roger uttered it....
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-03 11:23:41
He's the new Peggy! It should be fascinating!
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-03 12:40:07
I hate to admit it, seeing Betty fat is like going back to your high school reunion and seeing your tormentor being a major screw up (and also fat) in its satisfaction. I think she is too lethargic/depressed to even hate on Sally.
Michael Ginsburg is the name of the new copywriter. Seeing as how there was a formal press release for the actor appearing, I am guessing he is not just going to be around for the Heinz account. Peggy is going to lose her sanity between dealing with Megan-Don, Michael, and Abe. Her and Rizzo are practically buddies now. That said, the recent cordial friendship between her and Roger could be really great.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-03 12:52:20
Wait. Fat Betty is the BEST. She doesn't even get the sympathy of having cancer! I friggin love this show.
Posted by blueroses 2012-04-03 21:55:31
Fat Betty was great. I have a huge crush on the cute new copywriter. Ben Feldman is adorable! Wonder how long Abe will last now that Peggy's around some fresh brisket.
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-04-04 00:33:14
mmm! 4 days till brisket.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-04-04 05:50:49
Fat or thin, January Jones can't act her way out of a wet paper bag. It just brings the whole thing down for me.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-04-04 07:50:45
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-04 12:00:45
Though I think she's not a very good actress, I've never encounted someone whose limitations actually fit the part perfectly. I think her Betty Draper is remarkable and iconic. I just don't think she really has much to do with that.
Posted by Calvin 2012-04-04 12:03:14
I agree, Robbie -- poor thing won't be able to work in much else. Nixon looked more comfortable on Laugh-In than she did on SNL.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-04-04 13:25:08
and her X-Men appearance was my least favorite thing of an otherwise awesome movie.
Back to the episode - I liked it (caught up last night). I enjoy this whole generation gap theme. Don acting like a father to the girl, who two seasons ago you would think he would've hit on....
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-04 15:31:07
Don still made me nervous because at the very least, Harry has devolved into somebody completely recognizable (but totally out of touch when trying to flirt with the girls). But I am glad Don sees Sally in the younger crowd now. That said he seems to fall into the 'I don't like this' older crowd about the younger generation rather than the Heinz guy who just wants to get 'the kids' to buy into his product.
The little detail of Megan knowing some of the Stones catalog makes me think she and Sally could bond together over music but not really on a motherly level. And also the fact there is about a 14-15 year age difference between her and Don could make their marriage has some bumps because of the age gap. But then again, in that dinner with the Heinz guy and his wife they seem to represent more of the generation of couples who met in the workplace and continued in the workplace after marriage.
I really want to see Betty sweating out the summer of 1966 in Henry's Gothic mansion wearing a muumuu but I think the next episode is going to jump to fall.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-05 11:49:45
I'm sorry...but was NO ONE ELSE disappointed that we didn't get to see Don and Megan on Fire Island. You just KNOW Princess Nubia of the Red Hanky from episode one was holding court all day long on the beach!
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-04-05 12:26:58
Robbie, I really wanted to see Fire Island, too.
Posted by Calvin 2012-04-05 12:32:41
Yeah, except Don probably went to Robert Moses.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-04-05 16:04:17
Posted by blueroses 2012-04-05 16:14:16
Tink. that's fabulous! Lane and Roger are perfect!
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-04-09 15:47:46
So...that was a dream sequence, right? (the murder). Precursor of things to come, perhaps ??? Very good episode, though.
Posted by Taryn 2012-04-09 17:43:09
All I have to say is:
YOU GO, JOAN!!!
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-04-09 18:27:42
Yes, Taryn. Finally. (Joan!). Let her new storyline begin. 1965, my personal favorite yr. I was 12, and already feminist (in a good way) influenced!
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-09 18:47:14
I feel like this episode was made just to kick modern crime procedurals/true crime fixations with violence against women, and the people who love them, in the balls. So much imagery and symbolism! Weiner and the writers cannot get enough of the Francis house eeriness. Mother Francis seems like the kind of person who completely memorized In Cold Blood. She's an interesting character but I hope the split of the pill with Sally is just a one time deal.
I feel the sequence for Don, and to me it was a dream the moment hours have past and Megan was nowhere to be found when she told him she'd be there in an hour, was about fighting his urges and past indiscretions. This was a man who pissed himself while fighting in Korea so I wonder what are his capabilities of violence that is not limited to his dark subconscious and rough foreplay.
Don projecting an angel image on Megan when he wakes up, much like his vision of Anna going into heaven last season, does show he has placed her on a pedestal and he does not want to screw this up. Let's face it, his single life was depressing, his marriage to Betty was full of infidelity, and he is now married to somebody who works where he works and knows his reputation (he did cheat on Dr. Miller with her) far too well to accept it. She wants him for herself. I think he has put a Madonna complex on Megan that may be ill-advised for their marriage in the long run but it makes him want to be a better man.
I loved that song that played at the end. Perfect for the episode.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-04-10 08:05:14
Joan for the win!!! Awesome! And I love the call back to the rape (ok that sounds weird). Can't wait for her to get back to the office and start kicking ass.
I took him strangling her as killing that part of his life. He is happy and really doesn't want to ruin this relationship but his past keeps sneaking up.
The minute I saw Sally take the pill I was like "10 years later they will trace her addiction back to that moment".
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-23 16:31:16
The last three episodes have been great! Each intense in different ways while structurally very different but with the underlying theme of violence. The scene where Don is chasing Megan shows just that he is his own worst enemy in this relationship and I get the feeling if this relationship cannot work, it is all on him. He is suffocating her with all his needs. He loves her but oh boy, it is not the most healthy kind of love.
And then there was Peggy at the movie theater and Roger on LSD. I am getting this feeling that won't be Roger's last trip.
But I will say the Michael-Peggy conversation and revelation about his past was one of the most poignant, beautifully shot scenes of the season.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-23 17:05:45
I was unsure how I felt about this season. I was enjoying it, of course, but could certainly feel a slightly more obvious use of text (as opposed to subtext) that was jarring at first. But (as the bloggers Tom and Lorenzo noted in their brilliant recap...google them...they're fabulous), we're going from a time (the late 50's-early 60's) when nothing was said out loud to a time where EVERYTHING starts to be said. And I adored the Rashomon-esque storytelling last night. It was a thrill when it dawned on me that we were seeing the same time period told from three different points of view. And I concur, strummergirl, that the Michael/Peggy scene was beautiful and slightly upsetting (though not as upsetting as Peggy's handy-dandy!)
This episode ranks up there with The Suitcase as the series' best. Oh, the 60's are f*cking up SCDP and it's denizens...ain't they?
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-23 20:10:40
I adore Tom and Lorenzo's recaps, especially the recaps that strictly involve Janie Bryant's costuming of the show.
Posted by wonderfulwizard11 2012-04-24 02:21:29
I'm curious to know how people took Michael's Martian speech- I read the Tom and Lorenzo recap before I was able to watch the show, and they took it to be a sort of schizophrenia. However, when I watched it, I saw it more as a comment on Michael's otherness as a Jewish person in the world of SCDP; even when he was first hired, the fact that Michael is Jewish seemed fairly prominent.
I do agree that last night's episode was truly fantastic. I adored the scene between Roger and Jane. It was really a beautiful, heartbreaking scene- and I loved the visual of Roger in a bathrobe with a towel wrapped around his head, haha.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-04-24 03:33:06
I took it that his true origin story is so grim and as unbelievable as him actually being a Martian. Not to mention that he's so displaced he feels like he doesn't come from anywhere. He was speaking metaphorically.
Posted by wonkit 2012-04-24 10:36:00
This was the first episode in years that felt anything like the magical first season. I liked all of it except Peggy in the movie theater. Even after all she has been through, and the pressures on her, the scene seemed like an unmotivated bit of sensationalism.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-24 11:35:02
I loved Peggy's handy scene.
It may be rather baldly stated, but she is turning into Don...without the benefit of being a man or being as magnetically attractive as Don. It was a perfectly crystallized moment that harkens back to both Don's love of movies (and sneaking away in the middle of the day to see one) and his sexual appetite.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-24 11:49:09
Peggy has been hearing it for seasons that she acts too much like a man in the office and she has reiterated those anxieties to Dawn when she was drunk. Her pitch was Don-like but her gender seemed to drag her down in the pitch with the Heinz client patronizing her. She is Don and frankly she wants some semblance of control that she cannot seem to really have at that point. She's more married to her job than actually being involved with Abe and since neither are going particularly well, I think she wanted to turn tables and assert real control- no matter how seedy that was at the movie theater. She cannot be taken seriously during ad pitches without Don in the room which speaks nothing about Peggy's creativity but more on her gender.
I think Michael just feels to be in an identity crisis. He's a like Don too. Let's look at the possibilities within the impossibilities of him being born in a Concentration Camp. Camps were split by gender and the only men at the women camps were guards and Michael knows his father is not his actual father. It probably has crossed his mind that his biological father could have been a Nazi and him being conceived may have not been with his mother's consent. That personal knowledge of family history, especially when discussions on the Holocaust were non-existent at that point, would make anybody uncomfortable, distant, and displaced with their identity. I am also not sure that Michael is going to be happy that Peggy told Abe. That was a revelation that he probably has said to maybe just a couple of people.
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-04-29 23:16:51
Glenn: " How was NY?
(you just KNOW Sally's gonna be a ho/drug addict real soon)
YOU MEAN THEY DIDN'T LOCK THE DOOR??)
Posted by strummergirl 2012-04-30 00:23:03
This episode is why Kiernan Shipka rocks and why she has been kept vis a vis a carousel of Bobby Drapers. She is Matthew Weiner's stand-in for the show.
Why does Glenn have to come back and be the one given the lurid details of a sex act that Sally sees? The kid will never be un-creepy to me.
I see Megan-Sally parallels in their parent issues. Mothers are touchy-feely with guys they like and act out like clockwork, both much more daddy's girl, and both wanting to be appreciated in adult worlds but immediately being desensitized and deglamorized to it. Megan was not that enthused of the Heinz pitch success and Sally's time at 'the ball' (although Roger and her had a good rapport but I had Mrs. Calvet's wandering eyes on high alert even before they 'disappeared').
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-04-30 12:06:39
During the final scene, was Ben in a parka and his underwear??? That was far more disturbing than anything else he's done to date.
Spectacular episode...especially the reveal fab Mod Sally. The show is becoming much more lurid...which I love. The Summer of Love is about to happen...but it didn't come from nowhere. The entire culture was moving towards it, and I love how the show is delineating it.
Posted by mominator 2012-04-30 12:28:59
How much do I love Sally!? My heart breaks for her. Just when you think Rodger can be a nice guy for just one evening.. I now even have some sympathy for Meghan. Her parents are another horror show.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-07 15:49:07
This fanvid is a few weeks old now, but it brings me such joy
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-07 16:15:20
And from the visual cryptogram otherwise known as 'Next Week on Mad Men' promo, Fat Betty will finally make a re-appearance.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-07 16:18:58
Ha some fan far more clever than I am should really make some mock "next week on Mad Men" videos... I love how they don't tell you ANYTHING about the next episode except, perhaps, what characters will be seen.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-05-07 16:25:41
Is anyone else just WAITING for someone to die or be killed. The sense of foreboding this season is getting me all twitchy-like!
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-07 16:45:54
I almost had a heart attack when Don found the empty elevator shaft. Was it just his subconscious or are we having an LA Law ending for somebody?
Pete and Beth aka Rory Gilmore, that will not end well. I feel like Pete is the obvious choice to be the one dead but lately he has been so aggressive and bitter about stuff that I am beginning to think whoever is at the other end of him in a meltdown is in most trouble.
Posted by wonkit 2012-05-20 23:09:16
Wow - dumb continuity mistake tonight. Card with Joan's flowers was signed "Ali Khan." Of course, it is actually spelled Aly Khan.
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-20 23:32:50
Or it was deliberate.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-20 23:36:04
That's what sticks out to you and not Paul Kinsey, knee deep in Hare Krishna and Star Trek fan fiction?
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-05-21 05:34:59
Who was that actress that played "lakshmi" (sp?), the hare krishna chick? Now there's some fabulous acting...2 tiny scenes, terrific character. (OH, btw, Phyl, the ALI thing might refer to the infamous Ali/Liston heavyweight fight in '65). or not? I looooove this show.
Posted by mominator 2012-05-21 10:42:10
Last night we were more worried about Don wrecking the Jag than anything else!
Posted by kaymark 2012-05-21 11:29:50
He was born Prince Ali Salman Aga Khan. Aly is just informal.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-21 11:53:22
What struck me about the Aly Khan mention and flowers scene is that it is about the past for Don and Joan, and how both view the past and present. Aly Khan or Prince Ali was Rita Hayworth's husband and of course, Hayworth was the hot red head of the 40s and 50s. But by 1966, Hayworth was pretty much done and for Joan 'finding somebody else' when she has a kid coupled with her age is not realistic. But Don still wants to keep the past afloat by putting on a fedora thinking Sinatra when Joan just tells him he looks more like Jimmy Durante than anybody else. As awesome as their chemistry was on screen (I liked Mo Ryan's comment that it had the power to light up cities), they were two friends and two people who looked out of the past in that bar scene with Don, the romantic, and Joan, the realistic. Sure, Joan gets very nostalgic playing Doris Day at the bar and I am certain Don's flowers to her were out of nostalgia because really, she needed those flowers for comfort after losing her control of the situation e.g. the divorce from Greg. In some ways it reminded me of the Don-Peggy moments in "The Suitcase" episode (though that ep. is far superior) where you see characters open up to each other in non-judgmental ways though also holding back on stuff (Like Peggy never telling Don who is the father of her child nor Joan telling anybody about Kevin's paternity). I wonder if Greg figured out the math with Kevin's birth and on what grounds he filed.
And for some reason I am just as worried for Don having his name forged on the check just as much as I am worried for Lane forging it.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-05-21 14:30:08
I love that Joan simply smashes things when it all gets to be too much. Genius.
This episode was NOT The Suitcase...or the LSD episode from earlier this season. But I really appreciate the way they're laying this season out. I wouldn't call this a 'placeholer' episode, but it was smaller in scope than some of the others, and that's ok with me. I enjoy breathing through in episode just as much as I enjoy holding my breath.
Posted by Taryn 2012-05-21 17:13:14
I love the Don/Joan dynamic so much. What a fantastic scene between them.
Posted by mormonophobic 2012-05-22 01:07:45
Did I miss something or was this the first time we've seen Roger and Joan discussing Kevin's paternity? I feel like I skipped an episode somewhere.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-05-22 06:48:46
She told him she was pregnant and that it was his because her husband had been gone too long. She went for an abortion, but you could tell she was changing her mind. The next thing you saw she was talking about being pregnant to her husband and saying they would find out at work soon enough. Then, this season, she brings Kevin into the office and Roger holds him up and there was kind of a moment. He mentioned buying him a bicycle. He's also mentioned money another time. They never came right out and said that this was his baby, but he knew.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-22 10:57:21
Yep. Joan also mentioned in passing she already had two abortions and I think it dawned on her that this may never happen again. Plus last season she was treated like a piece of meat and had no respect from her co-workers like seasons past, so motherhood seemed like a good option and retreat. Then she realized she missed the office and also Greg showing his true colors once again.
Roger also mentioned to Don this season that Jane wanted to have a baby and remarked, "Why do that to someone?"
Posted by mormonophobic 2012-05-22 13:11:33
Thank you both for clarifying. It was clear that Joan knew the father of her baby was Roger, but I just didn't realize he knew as well. There was also that great fake-out moment in the season premiere, with Roger rushing towards Joan with Kevin in her arms and saying, "Theres my baby...now move that brat out of the way so I can see her".
Did anyone else see the Mad Men cast on Inside the Actors Studio? It was all kinds of wonderful.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-22 18:45:24
I have a hard time handling James Lipton, but I must track down that Actor's Studio interview.
The Wall Street Journal had an interview with Jeran-Claude van Italie about hiw play TV from American Hurrah that was featured in this week's episode. Thought it was an interesting read:
Posted by Phyllis Rogers Stone 2012-05-22 18:58:30
It was clear that Joan knew the father of her baby was Roger, but I just didn't realize he knew as well.
Didn't she discuss the possibility of an abortion with him, or am I misremembering?
I've read several comments from people about whether or not Roger knew he was the father, but for some reason I was always certain he did.
Posted by mormonophobic 2012-05-22 22:33:13
If I remember correctly, Roger asked if Joan wanted to keep it and she said, "Of course not". When she got back from the clinic, she told Roger that they had avoided a tragedy/that life moves on.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-22 23:05:52
Joan also was on her feet a bit too quickly for a woman who supposedly had the procedure that was so obvious that even Roger voiced concern about whether or not she should be working. Weiner spoke about having no intention of making this a 'guessing game' of whether she had the abortion or not but he also had no intention of confusing people of what happened to Peggy's baby (the baby got adopted by some family rather than being raised by her sister) that people are still confused by. Now Joan lying about it, and this is just my opinion, was her accepting the idea that in her mind it is Greg's baby. She still is under this state of mind based on her recent conversation with Roger by not accepting his financial support and sticking with the notion Kevin will be Greg's son.
But since she was never seen with anybody and told Roger there was no way it could be Greg's it pretty much pointed to him and him only. Plus she supposedly worked at SCDP through the entire pregnancy according to Megan and Peggy's conversation in the premiere. Roger by the time she returned from maternity leave probably had several conversations with her about her pregnancy but alas, that was all off-camera like so many other juicy things this show tells us happened.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-23 03:22:46
I was going to mention the Peggy baby thing too, which I admit I found really confusing and at some point just looked up online what others were saying. With Joan it didn't confuse me as much--I can accept and believe that in the world of Mad Men plot points like this get dealt with off camera, between the seasons. Strummer, I think your description is spot on.
Tiny Magic mentioned the actress who played Lakshmi is Anna Wood apparently. I was sure I knew her from somewhere, but her imdb is very brief and nothing stood out. For a bit I was sure I knew her from a soap opera which has happened before (the actor who played Megan's father had a fairly long run as a serial killer on All my Children, as did the actress who played Suzanne Farrell in past seasons).
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-05-23 06:35:29
I found Joan's boobs distracting this week.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-23 15:28:47
I find the distracting every week. I don't mind.
Posted by Mildred Plotka 2012-05-28 02:55:44
Anyone watch this Sunday's episode? Probably one of my top favorites of the whole series. The Joan plot-line with Jaguar had me in tears at the end. I've loved the fleshing out of her friendship with Don in the last 2 episodes.
Posted by wonderfulwizard11 2012-05-28 03:29:29
I caught the episode on repeat earlier, and have to agree that it was a pretty spectacular episode. Joan's story, in particular, was devastating- though Christina Hendricks was beyond brilliant in her scenes. I have also never hated Pete Campbell more than I did in this episode.
Also, was anyone as shocked as I was that Peggy actually left SCDP? Reflecting on what's happened this season, it makes some sense, but I was just really surprised that she actually went through with leaving. I really loved her last scene with Don, which felt like a nice cap to their relationship at the agency. It will be interesting to see what happens now that Peggy's gone from SCDP.
Posted by Taryn 2012-05-28 03:51:51
All I can say is: fantastic freaking episode. Everyone talked about the brilliance of "The Suitcase" last season, but it didn't hit me like this one did.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-05-28 04:09:55
Oh, boy. This episode.... wow.
First, Pete Campbell is repugnant It speaks volumes that he did not answer Joan's hypothetical about Trudy when he gave her the proposition. I wanted to take a shower after this episode but it speaks to how effective and excellent it was between the writing, direction, and cast performance.
There were these hints that Peggy was unsatisfied be it being intrigued by Ken's meeting (that turned out to be about his writing) and their work pact in "Signal 30" or how Stan told her that it would be easier for her to hire a mediocre copy-writer instead of her hiring her eventual successor (and I definitely think Michael is going to replace her among a group of free-lancers). She got buried in the Heinz Beans account that she got kicked out of, she was off accounts simply because she is a woman, and she did two Ginsberg accounts with no credit whatsoever. I can definitely see why Peggy reached a breaking point not being involved in Jaguar or even getting credit for her pitch in the episode (I mean, even Harry thought she was brilliant and told Don so).
I am most surprised that she took up with Ted Chaough's firm. I know she trusts Freddy like a father but him giving her off to Don's smarmy rival would piss Don off, as his reaction showed. I do hope it works out for her in the end, and of course I hope we still follow her story as she was why I followed the show in the first place.*
I do wonder if the pact with her and Ken is still in tact. I am thinking maybe not with her dismissal of it after Don yelled at her because I think in her mind, Ken has never experienced what she has experienced working there. Plus he has an escape, writing, whereas she has only known copy-writing/advertising as her profession.
I wonder how long Stan is there for too. I am oddly invested in him and Peggy's relationship and he has hinted that his time could be numbered with the rise of photography in advertising.
This should be Christina Hendricks' Emmy submission episode. I loved the looks Don, Peggy, and Joan each gave to each other in the final 5-10 minutes of the episode. I was in tears in the Don-Peggy scene in his office.
My only issue in this episode is that Roger seemed completely fine with what Joan was doing or rather, what Pete told the partners (that little smirk he gave when Joan gave him an ambiguous enough response rather than a direct 'No' made me recoil in terror). Maybe Roger and Joan really have hit an impasse after the Pearl Harbor Day talk. But still, she is the mother of his child and it says a lot that she wore the fur he gave her to her 'date'. Lane was shown more about his relationship with Joan and how it involves him than Roger and that struck me as curious, beyond the fact Lane gave Joan the partnership option to save his own skin with his financial issues.
*-AMC's Inside Mad Men on its website has cast-members, still in their clothing from what I believe is from the finale episode, talking about each episode up until the finale and Elisabeth Moss with her costume makes me think we will still see her in the final two episodes of this season.
Posted by Auggie27 2012-05-28 13:37:25
I've little doubt Peggy will be seen in the finale. As many have noted (including Elizabeth Moss), Peggy is the new Don, and though she's now isolated, unities wise, from the characters and office, she has a rich opportunity to grow competitive with her mentor and psychologically speaking, mirror self.
The show last night was brilliant storytelling.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-05-28 15:10:29
Peggy knows she's worth more and went elsewhere. Joan thinks she's not worth anything more than her body. It was pretty leveling.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-05-30 15:44:15
I thought it was interesting too in comparison to what happened earlier (season 3?) with Sal being essentially fired for not sleeping with the cigarettes guy.
Posted by NYadgal 2012-06-03 23:01:57
Posted by mominator 2012-06-03 23:11:23
OMG! That was a tear filled episode.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-06-03 23:25:54
When Joan cried, I cried.
Matthew Weiner at least acknowledges that Don is a magnet for tragedy.
Also taking solace in Weiner stating in Inside Mad Men that Sally is not attracted to Glen on any level after she sees him again.
Posted by thetinymagic2 2012-06-04 01:32:53
Even though I don't think that the Weiner kid (glenn) is a particularly good actor, there's something really perfect about casting him as this socially inept totally awkward tween. You really can't take your eyes off that face when he's in a scene.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-06-04 05:15:19
I thought that was the finale. I was rather confused when they didn't set anything up. Glad to know there's another episode.
Posted by MotorTink 2012-06-04 08:17:33
I was really expecting it to be Pete that ended up found like that, but Lane makes as much sense. Sad.
I have a feeling Peggy will be back at SCDP. (with Pryce gone - do they go to SCD? SCDC?)
Posted by mominator 2012-06-04 09:18:07
Very good question Tink. Pete will lobby for his name on the door and Lane's office. I can see him getting the office but the firm going to SCD.
It was nice to see Betty finally acting like a mom.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-06-04 10:32:37
Pete's been angling to rise from junior partner to having his name on the door for about two seasons. But I am thinking unless there is a real time jump in-between episodes (like months instead of a month) it may be too insensitive for the agency to switch up names. Who knows if they are even going to reveal publicly that Lane resigned and Don is the only one who knows the check is a forgery (Bert just knows it was a bad check).
I cannot help but think when Lane and Joan were talking about his inferiority complex and how he told her that she in his position 'could do it'. Maybe she will actually will be in his position in the finale beyond her 5%. She fits more of the profile in Lane's position than Pete does. Would her name go on the door and not Pete's? Maybe not but it would be a bit hilarious to see how Pete reacts to even the possibility since he started that mess.
Ken seems to have put two and two together over how Joan became a partner based on his conversation with Roger where he said no to a partnership. He just knew too much from the last episode but I doubt he is going to make a fuss about this or gossip. The other employees at the agency, however, are going to start talking, especially since there have been assumptions about Lane and Joan going back to season 4 (I doubt people know the details on Jaguar).
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-06-05 03:18:56
What a devastating episode. I had a feeling Lane would end up that way, but knowing where it was leading just made the whole thing harder to watch (in a good way--brilliant). I also liked the juxtaposition of Sally in a way starting her life just as Lane is ending his--and that hopefully Betty now realizes that Megan will never replace her for Sally.
I suspect Don will keep the cheque stuff quiet, since he feels guilty about it all and knows Lane would want it that way--poor Don, two peple have hanged himself in front of him now (his brother early on in the show), and in situations where Don didn't seem to realize the desperation of the situation and was in a position to maybe help things.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-06-10 20:32:54
Finale is tonight. I have no idea what is going to down. Even the UK spoilers of the finale (that have actually been very reliable to people who put in the time to search for spoilers) have been very vague. There is a final shot mentioned in multiple reviews that has earned both the distinction of being a love letter and also being considered ambiguous.
Posted by Taryn 2012-06-11 03:14:16
Hm. A bit ponderous. I'm a bit underwhelmed.
Posted by JerseyGirl2 2012-06-11 06:08:01
It didn't seem like finale material to me.
I did love the scene with the partners standing before the window of the new floor. The spacing was perfect. It just got to me for some reason.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-06-11 09:58:12
So...what was that final shot? The old Don Draper is back? That's kinda what I took from it.
It would have been impossible to top the last two episodes...it would have felt like overkill. I liked that this episode was quiet. But Adam f*cking freaked me out.
Posted by mominator 2012-06-11 10:08:46
Yes I think the old Don is back. (Could this be because Meghan has turned into Betty?)
Adam popping back in was quite weird.
Rodger and Pete sadly will always be scum.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-06-11 10:28:04
But DAMN does John Slattery have a hot ass.
I also love how Joan is asserting her partnership. It's an uncomfortable fit right now, but I think it's going to be fascinating watching her run the whole friggin show.
Posted by wicked1492 2012-06-11 11:16:10
I agree that it was very underwhelming after such an exciting season with so many twists and turns. I'm not sure that I liked that it calmed down. I did LOVE seeing Pete take a few punches. Finally.
Posted by strummergirl 2012-06-11 12:10:03
I think the final shot was a blank canvass anybody can project. For most of this season my doubts shrunk that Don would return and be a straying husband but I think his brief conversation with Peggy in the theater about how 'Don't you want the people you helped all of those years leave and be successful?' (or something to that effect) also spoke to Megan. Don while trying and actually helping Megan, may stray if it means that there are more times of Megan on a soundstage. I always thought the issue was that Megan putting on a performance for anybody but him was going to be an issue. Don's feelings watching her screen test seemed like he was falling in love with her again but then seemed to realize the nature of screen tests and that for her, she wants to be seen by more than just him. That is definitely going to be hard for him if he could barely handle the 'Zou Bissou Bissou' performance.
Was not really feeling Pete's sub-plot and I can buy Trudy thinking her husband is a bad driver but the whole apartment in NY issue came back and resolved far too easily. I felt like Pete's suburban misadventures were put on the back-burner too long to be significant (if it was ever at all), although I think Howard deserved his attack. Never make me root for Pete Campbell in a fight ever again, Mad Men.
Julia Ormond as Mrs. Calvet was pretty great in her return. Her lines killed both in its cold melancholy and dark comedic tones with her daughter (and now we understand why Megan is fine with no kids). You get why she was so captivated by Roger Sterling just by watching him play off those familiar beats with Sally Draper at the ball.
I felt like this finale actually set up a lot to think about character's futures. Roger's back on LSD trying to fill the void of emptiness, this time with no supervision. Joan at the partners meetings seemed like the most together, the one in control of the discussion and matters. I think Jersey Girl mentioning that gorgeous shot of the partners in the office space is important to note that Joan is in the center. The creatives are a bit lost without Peggy, Stan especially (and hey, it looks like Peggy is frustrated with some of her creatives in the art department so maybe there is a reunion), who has soured on his dynamic with Michael Ginsberg who continues to have a volatile work dynamic with Don.
And Peggy possibly being in on Virginia Slims? Awesome. The account she got to keep the company alive last season also seems not enthused by SCDP so at the very least, she can reel in Topaz. I feel like the fact that SCDP continues to have their creatives be male-dominated and that Don made it a point to go after the big guys may turn sour (or in the form of Dow Chemical napalm) and that Peggy's success could be finding the new things that could turn out big and be for women. The Lady Godiva pitch that was woefully ignored by Don was another indicator. I think next season may actually tap into the feminist movement and Peggy is going to use it as a opportunity to really hit it big. She was Don's equal in the movie theater scene, she might even surpass him.
I love the two odes to Bond. Peggy and Don seeing the turkey of a spoof in Casino Royale (Which puts the episode in late April to possibly early May of 1967) and "You Only Live Twice" in the montage.
Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2012-06-11 12:29:45
I'm probably alone in this opinion, but ever since the remake of SABRINA, I've been completely entranced by Julia Ormond as an actress. And she's been showing up in unexpected places (Law and Order: Criminal Intent, as well as Mad Men), delivering perfectly modulated performances. Perhaps the stain of trying to replace Audrey Hepburn will finally lift and she'll be allowed to explore bigger and better roles. Because she really is quite wonderful.
Posted by EricMontreal22 2012-06-14 17:40:29
A long but rather brilliant analysesof the finale. I caught some of it, and I appreciated that the final episode was more laid back than the last two actually, and reflective, but I missed especially all the references to past episodes.